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Soft Plastic Bait Making => Photo Gallery => Topic started by: Jason on 12/21/11 12:00 UTC
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CCM JR is on Christmas break from school and is hooking me up with some killer baits. Here are a couple pics of some Carrots he made for me:
4", 5" and 6" Skinny Carrots
(http://www.caneycreekmolds.net/gallery/1_21_12_11_10_56_03.jpeg)
5" and 6" Regular Carrots
(http://www.caneycreekmolds.net/gallery/1_21_12_11_10_55_22.jpeg)
Thanks JR!
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Jason, I need to borrow your son over the holiday to pour me some killer baits like that!!!!!! ;D
Outstanding job!
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He is such a blessing. The baits are nothing compared to how I feel seeing him mature into such a fine young man.
Jason
aka. Proud Dad
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Is that a 4" Regular, or did Yawl come out with a 4" Skinny? Because a 4" Skinny, in the form of an "extended" 3" Skinny would be in my box of molds!!!
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Those are some FINE Carrots, JR. You've got me eye-ballin' the 4" mold...
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Those are super! They need to go in the cook book. :-*
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Is that a 4" Regular, or did Yawl come out with a 4" Skinny? Because a 4" Skinny, in the form of an "extended" 3" Skinny would be in my box of molds!!!
The regular 4". I can make a 3.5" or 4" skinny one - like the 3" Skinny if you want it. We would just need to nail down the specs a little. Maybe Paul could add his .02 on this also as he has done a lot of analysis on tapers and such.
Jason
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Those are super! They need to go in the cook book. :-*
Thanks guys, I added it to the cook book.
~Jr~
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I bought what I thought was a 4" skinny???!!!! I bought it from a member here and it was advertised as skinny 4". Since I don't have a regular 4" to compare to, I could be either.
Baits are top notch Jr!!!!!!!!!!
Jim
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A four inch skinny would be an interesting bait. The standard four inch is a 0.375 bait. Same diameter as the 3.0 inch regular and 3.5 inch. The 3 inch skinny ( and 2.5 inch ) have a diameter of 0.3125. Unless Jason slid one by me; there is only one diameter of 4" Carrot. Most of the CCM Carrots have a 70% to 75% tapered tail and 25% to 30% body. ( The exception is the "standard" 3" skinny; it has a 1.25" body and 1.75" tapered tail ). The four inch has a 1" body and a 3" tail. I have not "studied" the 5" and up carrots. These proportions create a very "lifelike" bait profile to me. The longer the tail vs body , the more "wiggle" in the bait ( all else being equal ). The smaller the diameter ( given the same body vs tail lengths ) yields the same results.
Jason was good enough to craft me a 3" skinny carrot with a 0.75" body and a 2.25" tapered tail a while ago. This carrot has the same relative body percent set up as the 3 inch regular carrot. Shot from the same plastic, the skinny has a good bit more "action" than the regular. The picture I posted of the box of 3" Skinnys shows this mold set up. The baits are very minnow like to me.
Now, with a 4 inch, I would be very tempted to just go to a 0.3125 diameter and leave it 1.00" body and 3.00" tail. More action would be a 0.75" Body and 3.25" Tail. Any shorter body than 0.75" I would be afraid of where the hook would exit the bait. Now if you were planning on just nose hooking the bait and really getting funky, a 0.3" head and 3.6" tail. Shot in soft this would be a real wiggler. I would shoot the bait in soft, cut it off at 3.65", then re-shoot the head in medium or medium hard of a different color. ( not that I have thought about this at all ) :).
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Picture with 3 baits is labeled as 4", 5" and 6" skinny carrots???
Jim
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My bad, CCm Jr. -- Those are really well executed, very lifelike baits.
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Paul, not saying those really are skinny ones as they might be mislabeled. I thought mine might be skinny based on that picture but bet there isn't a skinny yet.
Jim
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I apologize for the confusion around the 4" Carrot. There is only 1 diameter out right now and it is the .375 (same as the larger - 5",6",7" - "Skinny" Carrots).
There is however 2 versions, but the only difference is the tail. The one on the site tapers to nothing. The other one I've made tapers to a slight round end. One needs to become the "standard" and the other moved into the Special Order section.
With that said, we can make a true 4" Skinny (.3125). I liked Paul's suggestion of a .75" - 1" body, taper to a slight wound end like the others.
Thoughts???
Thanks,
Jason
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Guess I have the different version then... All good, just need to be sure I pay attention for when I add another one on!!!!! ;D
Paul sure knows how the skinny should be, I'd go with his suggestion and your size Jason if I have a vote.
Jim
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hahahahaha, those are awesome! ;D When a person can make a carrot bait that appealing, they've got talent!
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Those are freaking sweet!!!!
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My 0.02, i surely like Mr. Pauls dimensions for the 4" Skinny...same diameter as the 3" Skinny, with a 1" Body and a 3" Tail. Oh. Yeah. Murder in the Salt.
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Another vote for a 4 inch skinny............and maybe a 3 1/2 inch skinny ;D.
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I 2nd the Vote for the 3.5" Skinny, also! My opinion on finishing the 4" Skinny's tail, I'd say taper to nothing, as opposed to slightly rounded. Reason being, if You watch live minnows, their tails are almost always near-clear. The finely tapered tail of this Carrot, like the 3" Skinny, spreads the plastic very thin in the tip of the tail, finishing off a more lifelike minnow imitation, quite nicely. That's ONE OF the MANY details of the 3" Skinny that I like so much. Rig it right, and You have a very serious, high quality minnow imitation...far above the rest. Fella's, I have alot goin' on at the moment, but as SOON as I'm freed-up, I'll be ordering a 4" Skinny mold (with a Lami Plate) in these Specs.
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Food for thought -- If you taper to zero on the tail; there are two possible downsides I see. One - on a laminated bait this will be a possible de-lamination spot if a laminate plate is used ( inadequate bonding ). The halves are also harder to seat in the mold. Two; the tail will have a higher tendency to curl if a little too much injection pressure is used or the plastic is a little too hot. I agree that the tails on minnows are clear; but color transparency and plastic formula softness will also affect this aspect. I am not saying don't do it that way; Just bringing up a couple of "watch outs " I have experienced. Particularly the tail de-laminating tendency in the longer skinny baits when using a plate. If you are quick on the second side, this might not be a problem; but I am slow.
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What about creating a small tail shaped end that is thin?
Jason
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Awesome, Mr. Paul. Again, You're right. I like that idea better, and for those reasons. I never considered all that. Thank You Sir. If I were to get that mold, and You didn't have it, I'd send You some 4" Mr. Paul Skinnies.
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About the tail-shaped tip...I see alot of baits with them, and yes they're realistic, but a wider, more "open" tail is usually only seen when minnows/small fish are at rest or swimming slow. When bait is darting or flat-out running, they "point" their tails to reduce resistance for more speed, which is where, I believe, the pointed pin/stinger-tail baits were born from. The narrow "V" of the Zoom Flukes Tail is a good imitation, but I think the Tail of the Carrots, rigged vertical or horizontal, is about as good for imitating a running bait as it can be. Just my .02, but a forked tail can always be added to the 2nd-to-None CCM Line-up. ;D
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Thinking more, maybe that would be 1 aspect when developing a forked, tail-shaped tip on a CCM bait...even if it wasn't a paddle/swimming bait, but just a flat, forked tail, that would provide a little resistance, for a slower presentation...
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a forked, tail-shaped tip on a CCM bait...even if it wasn't a paddle/swimming bait, but just a flat, forked tail, that would provide a little resistance
I'd only add that by making the tail a horizontal tail, laying flat in the water, and making it very very thin, you'd really have a winner. There are tons of vertical tails out there while a horizontal can't hardly be imagined. Should be an easy machine job too.
You'd probably want to thin up the existing tail section a mite too though.
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Of course another option would be to make a "short" carrot mold and make three or four tail molds to satisfy everyone!
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Of course another option would be to make a "short" carrot mold and make three or four tail molds to satisfy everyone!
I've tried this and haven't been able to get it to work - YET. I will keep trying as I think it is an awesome idea.
Jason
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Jason, on the Interchangeable Tail idea...say You took a given Carrot to make a Tail Mold for. 1st, if it was me doing it, I think I'd make the Tail taper so the 2nd color would "wrap around" the Tail-Taper that leads up to the full-diameter "start" of the Tail, so it would grab/adhere better than the usual butt-joint.
2nd, and mostly why I started this post...just my 1st idea on this...maybe make the Tail with the Vents in the Tail Piece, not vents cut into the mold. Maybe all it would require in the Tail Mold would be a little "strip" that left the widest section of the Tail with a Vent Channel, for ease of shooting the 2nd color.
Just my 1st off-the-wall thought...
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Jason, on the Interchangeable Tail idea...say You took a given Carrot to make a Tail Mold for. 1st, if it was me doing it, I think I'd make the Tail taper so the 2nd color would "wrap around" the Tail-Taper that leads up to the full-diameter "start" of the Tail, so it would grab/adhere better than the usual butt-joint.
2nd, and mostly why I started this post...just my 1st idea on this...maybe make the Tail with the Vents in the Tail Piece, not vents cut into the mold. Maybe all it would require in the Tail Mold would be a little "strip" that left the widest section of the Tail with a Vent Channel, for ease of shooting the 2nd color.
Just my 1st off-the-wall thought...
G my friend, I love the way you think brother!
-Shawn
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Thank You, My Bro!!!
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The easyest way to make different tail molds work would be the hot soder iron. Get the carrot and tail hot and slide them together like we make a skirted grub.
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RuhRoh! The 4" Skinny is right around the corner! 1" Body, 3" Taper, slightly rounded Tail-Tip. KoowEE! Can You say, "Salty Dawg"?!
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Speaking of this. Does anyone have a side by side of the 6" skinny carrot and the 6" finesse worm. I want to see the difference in the two. I'm wondering if I should have both molds or not.
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I don't have those molds, but I used to have the Skinny6, and my looking at the 6" FW, the FW is much slimmer than the Skinny6. Personally, now with the Skinny3 and Skinny4, I'm pondering the Regulars in 3" and maybe the 4"...
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Yeah got the same impression looking at the two pictures on the site but given two different colors and two different pictures I'm curious to see them side by side.
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And so it was born...