Tom, thanks. I never dreamed crappie fishing coukd be as hard as bass fishing can. When you’re a newbie a man gets stumped easy. The thing that gets me is I really caught them good one night on livescope just drifting along with my black lights only & now I don’t hardly do anything with or without light when the crappie are in Shad out over the channel just like they were before. Driving me crazy lol