Author Topic: Finally connected the dots between lures and the fish they catch  (Read 2037 times)

Offline senkosam

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I've caught thousands of fish with man-made objects - lures - for longer than I can remember starting with a Mepps spinner and then a yellow Mr Twister curl tail grub. The number of articles I've read and the number of TV fishing shows I've seen amount to little when it came to why fish strike various lure shapes/ sizes/ actions/ and presentation, but most important - in combination like the combination of a lock.

Do fish sense lures as forage or some other animal? Are fish hungry or territorial when the are more aggressive? The answeres as to why fish strike have been contested for a long as the barbed hook has been around with all evidence pointing to this: fish sense but have no sense that allows logical thinking that associates lures to any animal.

It was established decades ago that fish senses became very well adapted to the environment in order to survive. The lateral line and other vibration detecting organs I compare to a blind person that develops an ultra sensitivity to what's moving nearby. A fish's larger eyes by comparison detect object shapes and actions from a distance.

A catfish's sense of taste and smell for example are enhanced by that which locate prey, avoid predators, return to familiar spots after months of absence, and find mates in murky water.
"Catfish have more than 175,000 taste buds on the surface of their bodies, ­making them virtual swimming tongues. The gills contain the highest concentration of taste buds, followed by the barbels and the mouth."

The many species of fish we catch do not have catfish senses so why do they strike with the senses they do possess? Your guess is as good as mine but one thing is certain: certain lure combinations that involve sight and sound provoke fish to strike. Simple as that! To label the strike as one of hunger/feeding or territorial means nothing if a lure moves the wrong way, is the wrong shape or size or is too large.

Having caught so many fish over many decades on many lure types and colors, has convinced me that fish are incapable of putting 2 & 2 together. A spinner is no more representative of a minnow than a buzzbait. Human imagination is something fish lack. What they sense is what they strike given the lure-combination referred to. Predicting that is at the crux of lure choice invloving trial & error as well as fish locations.

Some insist that fish strike a lure because of it's natural shape, action and color. but that is a bit reaching when very few lures look nor move naturally - spinners, buzzbaits and large lip crankbaits for example. To say a fish is fooled into biting a manmade object, takes for granted that the fish makes comparisons/associations to a real prey animal before it strikes. The simple fact that fish strike the same lure on the next cast that a buddy was just caught on, strongly disproves even the slightest presence of fish logic or the sense of danger associated with the presence of hooks. How many fish have you caught from a school? Over 15 in my experience.

A buddy I fished with last weekend recently caught a catfish on a particular soft plastic lure that along with a few other soft plastics, racked up 45 fish in total. Why? Just the fact that the lure also caught sunfish, white and yellow perch and crappie is proof that that lure and others had what it took to provoke those fish to strike.

I base my choice of lures based on lure design - especially tail design. These were the choices attached to various bodies - most attached with a candle flame:
spike tail
 

cone tail and bulb shaped tail


claw tail
curl tail (Ribbon tail epecially)
mini stick

modified Sassy Shad (belly and paddle tail cut off)


grub body / curl tail cut off or two grub bodies attached with a candle flame (no action action tail)


wacky rig after attaching spike-tails melted on to both ends of a grub body:


paddle tail (like the Sassy Shad's) (the Runcle for its thin longer body)


thin straight tail (top of the list)


There are others but you get the idea.






 
« Last Edit: 07/25/24 04:06 UTC by senkosam »

Offline Les Young

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Some very good points. I believe hunger, reflex  from  the element of surprise, being territorial & pure aggression are all reasons they bite & using artificial lures happen to  bring these out which means getting bit.

Offline ctom

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I'm still of the school that until we, as humans, can find a way to directly communicate with fish, we are stuck with supposition and assumption. As humans with the ability to think and decipher little clues that fish show us regarding why they hit we are really just putting together ideas from a human perspective. Observations we make [color of a lure or action or size] are solely from our perspective and we can adjust to changes that the fish like to make, however the why's and what's that fish toss at us anglers is still a fish focused mystery.

I'm sure we've all seen a great bite just flat out stop while electronics show that the fish are still right there. Swap out a color and sometimes we can get right back in the game. Maybe it calls for a profile change to spark things up again. Sometimes though, nothing we do seems to matter, and the fish simply have a bad case of lockjaw. Fish are fish and while they appear to have a much lesser ability to think things out because they have a much smaller brain for their size when compared to us, they still seem to have that innate ability to stump us.

My tackle pail has been narrowed down to maybe 6 different bait profiles, but each comes in a bunch of color combinations. Jig weight is the least concern as is head color.... all of the heads are either bare lead or purple. Whether the jig/bait is suspended under a float or cast on a free line is a matter of what the fish seem to prefer at the moment. For a long time I have paid a lot of attention to scent. I, at one time, was convinced that PowerBait minnows were the kingpin of crappie baits among the scented products at the time. Making my own baits sort of steered me away from worrying about scent until Gulp came along. If there is any one thing that has come along that has changed my ideas about scent and home-spun baits, it's Gulp juice, the stuff you get in a spray bottle. Literally every bait I make for panfish is kept, 50-50, either in a dry sealed ziplock or in a ziplock to which Gulp spray has been liberally applied. On way more than one occasion I have seen fish absolutely shut down on a plain, un-Gulped, bait even though they're still right where I was fishing but by changing to the Gulp version of the same bait, same color combo and fished in the same identical fashion, the bite went 180 degrees immediiately. I've seen baits soaked in Gulp spray that got fish going when nothing appeared to interest them. Yes, I know the Gulp juice isn't supposed to permeatethe plastic baits were use, however my personal observations on this are not in line with that thinking, so I'll just say don't knock it until you've tried it.

Senkosam, you bring a lot of food for thought here with much of your posting...its good to think.
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Couldn't have said it better ctom ! ! ! !
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As humans with the ability to think and decipher little clues that fish show us regarding why they hit we are really just putting together ideas from a human perspective. Observations we make [color of a lure or action or size] are solely from our perspective and we can adjust to changes that the fish like to make, however the why's and what's that fish toss at us anglers is still a fish focused mystery.

Problem for us anglers: choosing which lures based on that. I can close my eyes and pull out a lure from my favorite/proven assortment and know the chances are hight fish will strike it. Why fish any of those lures is a subject covered in fishing articles or seen on TV giving you reasons to buy lures that support so-called facts. Been there/ done that and frustrated every time knowing they will add to the  $$$ wasted and space taken up on storage shelves.

This is the only lure box I carry that has proven lures containing most of the shapes of which were mentioned.

(I added photos and modified the original post. You might want to go back and read it.)
« Last Edit: 08/30/24 04:15 UTC by senkosam »

Offline Lamar

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  During the 40 plus years of tournament fishing I've had probably a thousand or so no boaters in the back of my boat. Some were very good and some  changed their baits all day long. I've seen small bass bite baits bigger than them and have seen big bass bite tiny baits. I've seen bass bite all colors anyone can come up with. It all comes down to one thing. You must put your bait in front of the fish in a fashion that they want and they will eat it. Worry about that and you'll catch more fish.

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Location  Location  Location!
It's 95% of catching fish. The rest is knowing what they'll bite and how to work it - nothing based on what bass or any fish feed on.

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Location  Location  Location!
It's 95% of catching fish. The rest is knowing what they'll bite and how to work it - nothing based on what bass or any fish feed on.

  I've been playing with FF sonar as of late and you can see there's fish all over the lake. Many are just roaming out in the middle. Figure out their patterns and you'll catch more fish. Then you can use that anywhere on the lake.

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  I've been playing with FF sonar as of late and you can see there's fish all over the lake. Many are just roaming out in the middle. Figure out their patterns and you'll catch more fish

In the last few days, the bite has been sporadic and pattern-locations difficult to pin down. This happens almost every time there is a major storm with over 3"of rain followed by a big cool down.
Before the storm, fish were in 7-8' over large flats and the number were good - 68 fish between my buddy and me. The day after those locations held fish seen on sonar, but no strikes.
Today the pattern emerged where more fish are in 6' or less closer to shore, but only a few lures worked consistently unlike before the storm when there was a strike-frenzy in many areas.