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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bigbas21 on 07/04/19 10:09 UTC
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Hey Guys,
New here and to making my own Senkos.
I'd like to achieve a slightly faster fall rate.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
-BB211
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Use glass bead media instead of salt and more of it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/111810823636?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
You might want ultra fine
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GLASS-BEAD-13-Ultra-Fine-25-lbs-Sand-Blast-Cabinet-BLASTING-MEDIA/264386229770?hash=item3d8ea5b60a:m:mWRY85dtohxvgvEghOH4DCg:sc:USPSPriorityFlatRateBox!48186!US!-1
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GLASS-BEAD-13-5-Cups-ULTRA-FINE-BEAD-Hobby-Craft-Particle-BLASTING-MEDIA-/264361234579?hash=item3d8d285093
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Thanks 21,
Much appreciated!
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Welcome aboard Bigbas21!
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Welcome BB-
Two points to consider: might you want different sink rates with different baits?... and how much "recycling" do you plan to do with your baits?
I use weighted hooks to vary my sink rates because sometimes I want them faster and sometimes I want them slower, but I also want continuity when I'm remelting (which I do a lot of), so I don't want to try and remember what batches had what additive when I'm recycling my baits... just my preference.
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Hey ef,
Both recycling and new, if new I'm pretty anal and write everything down.
Agreed on fall rates with different baits.
I fish FL waters, Lake O a lot. I also live on a 200 mile canal system with 7 small lakes
I fish Senko's, Flukes, and Trick worms with No Weight.
4/0 Gam EWC or straight shanks, or #1 Circle hook, just depending on situation.
-BB
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I typically use a 1/16oz head, but at times I go as light as a plain octo hook or as heavy as 1/4oz head... with your reply I don't think you'll have any trouble putting it all together, so have fun while making 'em.
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Thanks 21,
Much appreciated!
Post some finished pics. Not all media is the same. Some is an abrasive and not round beads. Read the descriptions in the links I posted. Beads are better for your injectors.
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Thanks again 21!
You've been very helpful.
I'll shoot some pics asap, doing some now :)
-BB
This hog weighed 10.6 pounds.
One of the best tourneys on Lake O. 25.9 pound bag.
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Ok guys,
Just messing around. All have been tank tested in my pool.
I fished 3 colors this morning.
I always use red hooks, so I made a few with red heads (not tails).
Caught a 1 pounder on the one I have a hook in and another small one on that violet one (which I made for my wife, lol)
I use Berkley 20 pound Test X9 Green Braid with a 2 foot Berkley 12 pound Test clear fluorocarbon leader.
Having fun!
-BB
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Good job . :)
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I always use red hooks, so I made a few with red heads (not tails).
I like this idea as it would give a pseudo mud puppy look.
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Congrats on the 10 pounder plus. Nice worms
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Thanks.
I'm a big believer in red hooks. I swear I get more bites with them.
Another thing I do that I think helps with Top Water Baits is to switch the front hook
to a feathered treble hook. More bites than a feathered back treble...….. I think lol
-BB
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Another thing I do that I think helps with Top Water Baits is to switch the front hook
to a feathered treble hook. More bites than a feathered back treble...….. I think lol
-BB
Interesting... does this seem to happen more for you on clear water vice stained water, the reversed situation, or same in both settings?
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I think both but the canal system I fish is gin clear for the most part
but Lake O changes quite often.
A Devils Horse is more effective in choppy water. especially when you rip it
pretty aggressively. A One Knocker Spook or something similar seems better in calm
water situations I've found.
How bout you? Your thoughts?
-BB
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I like the SkitterPops for a top water when I am not using a frog of some sort. On the Skitters I get rid of the feathered hook at the back and put a treble one size larger on in its place. At rest the bait will then sort of dig its rear end into the water slightly so when those hits come from right underneath I have more hook there. The larger hook does wonders when hits come from the side or behind too. I replace all of the Skitterpop hooks with Gammi or Mustad black nickel hooks.
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I'm pretty much the same, letting any surface disturbance dictate the aggressiveness of my topwater baits (all baits for that matter), but the feathers on the front really has me wondering if there is a coordinating mechanism that might make it better under certain conditions.
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I like the SkitterPops for a top water when I am not using a frog of some sort. On the Skitters I get rid of the feathered hook at the back and put a treble one size larger on in its place. At rest the bait will then sort of dig its rear end into the water slightly so when those hits come from right underneath I have more hook there. The larger hook does wonders when hits come from the side or behind too. I replace all of the Skitterpop hooks with Gammi or Mustad black nickel hooks.
Nice!
I almost always replace every bait that has a treble hook on it
with a Gammi #2, both front and back.
Gammi doesn't make treble hooks with feathers so I use Mustad instead.
Good stuff!
-BB
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Hey Guys,
I wanted to let you guys know that I am by no means a Know-it-all.
I hope no one gets that impression.
My mind is wide open to learning.
So when I share stuff, it comes from a Christian heart.
Thanks,
-BB
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Those feathered tail hooks have always been a good Sunfish catcher, moreso than Bass for me.
I never moved a feathered treble to the front hook location so I can't say yea or nay, but having the extra color mass forward may do something that draws more hits. All of the feathered trebles I've seen have stiffer feather fibers tied on and I doubt that the feather offers much in the way of peripheral motion, other than another color swinging when the bait goes quiet.
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Another trick I use is to tie 4-5 Palomar knots on any topwater, trim them tight and then tie onto my line.
If you notice when you tie directly on, your knot will slip to the bottom of the O-ring.
The knots will prevent that from happening which changes the angle.
I hope this helps.
-BB
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It's an easy experiment.
Have the same topwater tied on to 2 different rods. One with a feathered front, one with a feathered back.
If they're on a topwater bite, alternate back and forth.
You'll get a better feel for what works better. But heck, they can be finicky at times. One day the front feathered
may work, one day the back feathered may be better.
Sometimes I use "me" things that seem to work, so I stick with it. And that honestly might be our worst enemy.
I listen to my gut mostly.
-BB
I'm pretty much the same, letting any surface disturbance dictate the aggressiveness of my topwater baits (all baits for that matter), but the feathers on the front really has me wondering if there is a coordinating mechanism that might make it better under certain conditions.
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Thanks 21,
The glass worked perfectly.
I used 1 tb salt and 11/2 Tb glass - Perfect Fall Rate.
Plus the baits come out of the mold clean and neat with no extra plastic to trim.
-BB
Use glass bead media instead of salt and more of it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/111810823636?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
You might want ultra fine
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GLASS-BEAD-13-Ultra-Fine-25-lbs-Sand-Blast-Cabinet-BLASTING-MEDIA/264386229770?hash=item3d8ea5b60a:m:mWRY85dtohxvgvEghOH4DCg:sc:USPSPriorityFlatRateBox!48186!US!-1
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GLASS-BEAD-13-5-Cups-ULTRA-FINE-BEAD-Hobby-Craft-Particle-BLASTING-MEDIA-/264361234579?hash=item3d8d285093
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Ditch the salt. ;D
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Tell me why please. I'm listening.
Thanks,
-BB
Ditch the salt. ;D
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Durability, clearity of colors, keep your hooks in the same box w/o rusting and the fish hold the bait the same. ;D
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Ah, ok. Makes sense!
Next batch No Salt.
I guess I'm guilty of thinking salt is a key element but I'm wondering if Yamamoto
uses salt so the baits don't last very long.
Thoughts?
-BB
Durability, clearity of colors, keep your hooks in the same box w/o rusting and the fish hold the bait the same. ;D
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That's an interesting though Big. The ground salt used in these baits is irregular in granule shape and could make the baits less durable, as most know that they aren't good for a boatload of fish for each bait. Interesting marketing ploy and possibly when none of the big companies wander far from salt use. Salt is cheap too. Doubtful the fish know its there though.
There are a boatload of guys here that use other weighting materials, as you're finding out, that have a lot of positives for their use. Clearer bait colors, toughness without losing softness....the list goes on.
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It's all about money and the bottom line.
Heck, I'll rip thru at least a bag of Yam Senkos every time I fish.
Gary Yam has made millions off guys like us.
Smart man, purposely using salt so his baits don't last long, at $8ish per bag.
-BB
That's an interesting though Big. The ground salt used in these baits is irregular in granule shape and could make the baits less durable, as most know that they aren't good for a boatload of fish for each bait. Interesting marketing ploy and possibly when none of the big companies wander far from salt use. Salt is cheap too. Doubtful the fish know its there though.
There are a boatload of guys here that use other weighting materials, as you're finding out, that have a lot of positives for their use. Clearer bait colors, toughness without losing softness....the list goes on.
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Post some finished pics of your salt free baits... What glass media did you get? Fine or ultra fine?
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I will for sure!
Ultra Fine Bead.
Is that right? Thanks 21
-BB
Post some finished pics of your salt free baits... What glass media did you get? Fine or ultra fine?
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You can use either... You are the first I have known to use ultra fine. I would think finer is better on everything.
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OK, No Salt, 2 Heaping Tb Glass each batch.
Good Fall Rate
All remelts from old baits
I'll test them tomorrow am.
-BB
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Salt free? From re-melts? They look good. Waiting to see some new plastisol, glass only, with less colorant... To clearly see the difference. :D
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Lol, more Plastisol en route ;)
Salt free? From re-melts? They look good. Waiting to see some new plastisol, glass only, with less colorant... To clearly see the difference. :D
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Did a little brewing.
Not sure why but the actual colors are much lighter in person.
All Glass. No Salt.
-BB
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After you fish them this way... Post your thoughts. :)
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All I use anymore is glass media. I go through way less baits and catch just as many fish.
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Ran into a friend on the water as I was skipping docks
with some of my Senkos. Skipped Wacky Rig Style, fished lily
pads Texas Rigged.
He asked me if I could make some Senkos with his fav colored worm - Black/Moccassin.
These are the rejects but just to give an example.
-BB
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Does anyone know the color recipe for Moccasin?
Thanks
-BB