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Soft Plastic Bait Making => Soft Plastic and Plastic Baits - How To??? => Topic started by: MonteSS on 10/13/12 18:30 UTC
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So I got my order of the sinking additive. These are my non-biased personal results.
I used medium plastic (not CCM brand)
I use a Del's 5.25 stick mold (identical to a real Senko)
This is my normal Senko recipe I use which is very close to the real deal in weight, sink rate, softness, and a little better durability. Baits turn white opaque from the salt. If I use pickling salt the baits are more clear and colors and glitter look better, but durability suffers.
4 oz plastic
2 heaping tablespoon powdered salt
1 tablespoon softener
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Using the HD sinking additive I used....
4 oz plastic
2 level tablespoon sinking additive.
Baits are fairly cloudy and opaque. Baits are Very soft. Baits are very durable (even more durable than medium plastic with no additives). Weight and sink rate are same as the real Senko.
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I went to the Pharmacist and he weighed a few baits for me
Real Senko 10.86g
Pickling salt 11.51g
powdered salt 10.80g
HDS 11.15g
In conclusion I am very happy with the results. For my personal baits the price is not a big deal. For resale adding $.50-$1.00 to a pack should cover it. I fished a couple hours today and caught 5 fish. I use an o-ring and bait looked fine and can still catch numerous more fish. Sink rate was right on and the wiggle looked awesome
....Bill
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Bill...thanks for the data! That really tells the story.
My personal observation was that I thought the baits were harder to tear...or "tougher"...I'm glad someone else had the same observation!
Now I'm fired up and headed for the basement to make me some wacky carrots with sinking additive!
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Ya, I could tell right way when trying to pull them from the sprue and they stretched and wouldn't pull off easy.
...Bill
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Good post, Bill. Thanks for your efforts.
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I had made up some 4.5 Swim Shads in black. I decided to tear one down and use it as a trailer on a swim bait and I had a heck of a time tearing the thing in half! Didn't seem to affect the action on the tail though.
I fished them alone on just a Texas rigged hook and they had a great sink. Really cool to see that bait not on a jig head, swim jig or a bullet weight sticking out in front. The smallmouth seemed to really like them...landed 4 and a small pike on one bait. Now that's durability.
Thanks again for all the effort to get that data. I'll be making lots of wacky worms with the additive this winter!
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Softer and more durable, interesting. In the past, I have always wanted as slow a sink rate as possible; but I have not fished senko's either.
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Thanks a bunch, Bill for delivering this promised post!
This sinking additive has me mightily intrigued. Would you say your recipes will need to be altered due to the cloudiness of the additive, or is it "white" enough to match adding salt (as an alternative). My line of thinking is the possibility of making semi-translucent sinking baits?
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Hi Bill,
Thank you for doing this and sharing it.
I'm trying to figure out the cost per bait. Does each bait use aprox. .3 oz of plastic (I used the weighted amount of the bait divided by the weight of plastic to get .3 - it should actually be a little less than this unweighted)? But if this is correct and gets us in this ballpark then given that particular bait the following should be pretty close:
The key variable here is the amount of volume the bait takes, I'm guesstimating it's .3 oz. When you get a chance can you verify this by weighing an unweighted / uncolored bait?
aprox. 8 floz = 1 lb = 16 tablespoons ($7.99)
2 tablespoons per 4 oz of plastic to match sink rate ($.99)
4 oz of plastic = 12 baits ($.67)
1 Bait = $.06 of additive
If this is correct then 1lb should make aprox. 96 baits (subtract waste...).
We need to get the cost down on larger quantities (say 5lbs vs 1lb), but if this is correct, it's actually better than I thought it may be. I'm looking into larger quantities and know it will go down. I would love to see it around $.04 a bait... I think at $.04 a bait, it could actually appeal to a larger crowd and help bring the price down for all of us.
With the increased durability, is there any way you could estimate how many fish the real bait, vs a salted one, vs a HD additive one may be good for?
Let me know if the above is correct. Thanks again for helping.
Jason
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Asuming 4 tbs per 8 oz plastic will make the sink rate same as a Senko, and a 8 oz bottle of this stuff = ~16 tbsp, then the one pound bottle would do about four cups of plastic. That means about $2 of additive per cup of plastic. Figure 15 baits per 4 oz plastic.
I believe you could easily catch 10+ fish per bait wacky with a o-ring. Not sure about Texas rig
....Bill
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Shot some 5" Wutzits and they should fish real well. They are super soft and durable.
....Bill
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Thanks I was not interested in this until I read that it makes it more durable. Will have to try it.
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Is the additive really making the baits more durable? Of so, one may need to switch to a softer plastic. I'm thinking it may affect action or even how realistic the baits feel to a bass. I have always believed from personal experience the softer the bait, the fish would hold on longer.
Anyone remember the baits from Strike King a few years ago? You could stretch them about 10x their normal size and they would return back to normal. Never did catch a fish on them, maybe why they're not made anymore.
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I have made 1.75", 4" and 6" CCM Carrots, CCM Freedom Fries and CCM 4.5" Boss Hogs and Baby Berry's with the additive and I cannot discern any significant difference in action or "feel" of the bait. They are not "hard"....maybe a little more "tight" (or durable) might be a better way to describe the feel of the plastic.
I suspect you may want to add some softener on baits with motion tails...but I haven't made any yet where it seems to make a difference.
The tails on the Boss Hogs and Berry's I made seem to work fine....but I haven't done a side by side test to evaluate if one ripples better than another.
I'm really pumped up about wacky fishing additive baits like the 6" carrot and the Freedom Fries. In the water they both "work as expected" with the additive.
Note of Disclosure: I never make soft baits....only "regular". We'll need the "soft bait" crowd jump in on a comparison.
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could be a viable option for saltwater baits, they need to be a little tougher being that our fish have better teeth (musky, pike excluded).....sounds like a liquid we used to harden sand dollars in the seashell business
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The Senko bite has not been great lately as the fish are deep. But I have ben fishing a couple hours the last 3 days with the HD additive 5.25 stick. Wacky style with an o-ring (I use a very tight o-ring smaller than the normal 1/4"). Skipping docks and overhanging trees, I have caught 16 bass from 1-2.5# on the same bait and it is still going strong.
Very impressed....Bill
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5 more today on the same bait till I got broke off on a dock.
...Bill
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21 bass on one wacky worm! That's a 2x wow....first 21 bass....and second...that beats the &^%$ off the one per of a salted bait!
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Yup. Game changer in the industry if you ask me.
Well done Jason!!
....Bill
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Shot a bunch of baits with the sinking additive today. Overall first impressions are are favorable. The color of the baits seem a bit opague, similar to salt but with overall better color. The baits seem very soft but as everyone else has said seem more durable than with salt. The only negative I could seeks that it seemed to take a long time to get the plastic up to temperature with it, but I was doing 4 cups. As I said, my first impressions are very good. Is if enough to make me quit using salt? I won't know that until I get to fish it. ;D
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Just poured some sticks with it results to follow 2marrow. @montess its funny you said game changer in the industry....my lure co. Name is Game Changer soft plastics. I'm excited to try these babies out!
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I agree with MonteSS about this being a game changer. In addition to the durability and flexability benefits. The HD additive is much easier to work with than salt. It stays suspended in the plastic better than even finely ground salt, and pours better than salted plastic. I had to cut my salt ratio by about half when pouring my little finesse stick worms. I couldn't pour a fine enough stream with heavily salted plastic to get the narrow part of the tails right. With this stuff I can get the sink rate I want and still pour a fine stream. Salt is a thing of the past for me. Thanks Jason. GREAT product.
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Thank you for the good feedback. If you get a chance to review the actual product it will help others who don't frequent the forum (as well as CCM). You can review a product by going to the page and right below the product title click on "Review this item". It will ask you to log into the site if you aren't already.
http://www.caneycreekmolds.com/HD-Sinking-Additive_p_386.html (http://www.caneycreekmolds.com/HD-Sinking-Additive_p_386.html)
Thank you!
Jason
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Review added.
...Bill
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I have been using LC regular for my baits with this additive, Which of the ccm plastisol would work better with this, the soft or regular?
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Regular works great. If you want even more action you could go with soft, but it's not needed unless you just want a really soft bait.
Jason