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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: 412BaitCo on 10/30/12 10:33 UTC
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I'm thinking about trying a carrot with that type of rig. With a bait keeper with the hook through it to make the action as erratic as possible. I'm trying to find those tiny o-rings that would be used to hold the bait keeper on the hook?
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Go to a phamacy and pick up a package of the rubber bands used for braces. Assorted sizes and affordable.
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Those are the weedless part but I'm referring to the little black ones that you slide on the hook itself. One before the keeper and one after to keep it in place?
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Great idea Tom, I like to use them for weed guards. Rigging the carrot nose hooked using those bands as a weed guard will allow the most amazing action and you can run it through just about anything! I prefer the clear bands but I have been thinking about trying colors to match the bait.
Drew
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Thank you btw. Never even thought of doing the weedless part!
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These may work:
http://fishingskirts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=98&products_id=983 (http://fishingskirts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=98&products_id=983)
Don't know if they will accommodate a larger bait but it should be able to be rolled down a 4" carrot.
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I'm going to call you. You're close to the size but needs to be smaller. I think I'm just explaining it poorly.
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Can't you just screw it into the bait insert the hook then continue to snug it up against the hook with the weedless setup I would think you'd have no problem there. But I do know what your talking about those o-rings were micro sized.
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Drew possibly found a place to get them but it's out of New York so they're currently closed. I think I have some of the stuff at home if I do I will post a rigged example of a 5 inch carrot when I get home. I think it will give a bait that already has an amazing action that much more!
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Ok, found exactly what you were looking for after it was explained.
https://www.banjominnowstore.com/Store/p-138-o-rings.aspx (https://www.banjominnowstore.com/Store/p-138-o-rings.aspx)
I do NOT! know the validity of the website due to it's security cert. being expired. I tried to contact the Banjo Minnow customer service but they are east coast based and have shut down until Thursday morning @ 9AM est. I will be calling on Thursday to update this post and get the info on the validity of that site before I make a purchase.
For anyone who is confused:
The rig he was wanting to setup is an octopus style hook with an o-ring slid over the point past the barb then a bait keeper slid down over the point to sit against the o-ring than another o-ring placed past the barb so the bait keeper will not come off. Then screwing the bait keeper into the nose of the carrot to allow INSANE action.
I would add a gum band (bracer rubber band) to make it weedless!
The rig would be amazing for so many applications, once I verify that site I will let the forum know.
Drew
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I've pondered using part of their system before, mostly with Carrots. Buy the Eyes with the wire Eye in front. Use a small Hole/Plug Cutter to punch a hole through the Head to take the Eyes and maybe use a Hook Point to pierce the Nose of the bait to let the Wire Eye through. That'd be my way...just throwin' this out there too. Twitch twitch, pause...
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I've pondered using part of their system before, mostly with Carrots. Buy the Eyes with the wire Eye in front. Use a small Hole/Plug Cutter to punch a hole through the Head to take the Eyes and maybe use a Hook Point to pierce the Nose of the bait to let the Wire Eye through. That'd be my way...just throwin' this out there too. Twitch twitch, pause...
I think I know what you're referring to and it's the newer way the said product is rigged. Back when it first came out they didn't use that through the eye plastic rig I think you're talking about. The bait itself had eyes and they just used a bait keeper into the head. The original would be a lot easier to reproduce and I think I have found the said O-rings to finish the puzzle. I found a 1/32 inside diameter O-ring and I'm trying to get a measurement to see if it would be small enough to hold onto the wire of a hook.
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This place I found has a much better price then what drew found we just need to see if it's small enough to do the job.
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I really want to throw this setup with a 3.5" carrot at some small mouth with maybe a #2 hook and see how it goes!
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And maybe a 2/0 with the 5" regular carrot in the spring both weightless. Think it would make for a heck of a jerk bait setup.
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I`m not following the set up,and don`t trust the site either. Any other way to show me. I`m thinking I may want to do the same.
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Here is the basic concept F4F:
(http://denrig.com/images/banjorigged.jpg)
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Small surgical tubing pieces might do the trick. Maybe worth a shot. Many trailer hooks on spinnerbaits are held in place that way.
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Drew thanks for helping! I'm working Shhhhh don't tell my boss how often I'm on here haha. I can't answer quickly sometimes.
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Thanks Dream,I like it. I think the tubing will work,with just a slice cut off.
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I'm going to make some 4" Carrots up using the High Density Sinking Additive....which not only make them sink..but eliminates the need for the rubber ring (like for wacky) because they are SIGNIFICANTLY more durable .... and nose hook them on a good sized circle hook....and make'em dance...like a Banjo Minnow!
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Just saw that illustration...substitut e all that hardware with HD Additive....and nose hook!!!
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I don't really see the need based on the setup pictured I have one of the old kits from years ago but what happens without the o-rings? I don't see an issue is it me I admit I've never rigged this way without the o-rings so I don't know first hand. I would think the o-rings would actually be restrictive to movement which sounds like your trying to achieve?
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Without the o rings the bait keeper could come off the hook given the erratic action.
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(http://www.caneycreekmolds.net/gallery/538-301012182015.jpeg)
The rigging option I was working on earlier. This is the 3" and 5" Carrot. Now just if the O-rings I found are small enough I'm set.
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412, why not just hook it in the nose??
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Side by side this moves way more freely then a nose hook. Now to see the difference in the water.
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Then I'll know if the extra cost in the rig which isn't much at all is worth it.
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Ok, found exactly what you were looking for after it was explained.
https://www.banjominnowstore.com/Store/p-138-o-rings.aspx (https://www.banjominnowstore.com/Store/p-138-o-rings.aspx)
I do NOT! know the validity of the website due to it's security cert. being expired. I tried to contact the Banjo Minnow customer service but they are east coast based and have shut down until Thursday morning @ 9AM est. I will be calling on Thursday to update this post and get the info on the validity of that site before I make a purchase.
For anyone who is confused:
The rig he was wanting to setup is an octopus style hook with an o-ring slid over the point past the barb then a bait keeper slid down over the point to sit against the o-ring than another o-ring placed past the barb so the bait keeper will not come off. Then screwing the bait keeper into the nose of the carrot to allow INSANE action.
I would add a gum band (bracer rubber band) to make it weedless!
The rig would be amazing for so many applications, once I verify that site I will let the forum know.
Drew
Everytime I contact Ispikeit.com, their return email address has the words "banjominnow" in it. Maybe they own it or used to..Might contact Ispikeit and see if they have what you're looking for.
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I get my Senko o-rings here. If they dont have what you want...no one does
http://www.theoringstore.com/
...Bill
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the viton chemical o-rings (about a buck a piece) is what is is used in the injectors, isn't it ??? (at least CC's injectiors)
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Here is a manufacturer of o-rings. The sell cord stock so you can cut your own length. The smallest diameter they have in this is 1mm. Looks like you have to request the info from them as well, so I don't know how pricey they are.
http://catalog.precisionassoc.com/viewitems/precision-associates-inc-o-rings/roduct-catalog-o-rings-o-ring-cord-spliced-o-rings? (http://catalog.precisionassoc.com/viewitems/precision-associates-inc-o-rings/roduct-catalog-o-rings-o-ring-cord-spliced-o-rings?)
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I found silicone ones that are as small .78 mm inside diameter and there 3.50 per hundred. Just don't have micrometer to see if that would hold to the hook. Might have to just order some.
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You also can use vacuum line from an auto parts store. Just cut the ends off to make the ring.
Not sure if it comes that small though.
....Bill
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The only thing so far that might work other then the Oring I found was the thin IV like surgical tubing that can be cut into small pieces. I don't know if vacuum lines go that small?
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I'm a diabetic and wear an insulin pump. The tubing from the infusion is thin but pretty stiff. Doubt it will stretch over the barb.
IV tube might come in different sizes.
...Bill