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Jigs, Spinnerbaits and Sinkers => Painting and Finishing Lures => Topic started by: Kasilofchrisn on 11/21/14 01:47 UTC
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So this spring I was interested in adding 3D holographic foil to a jig.
I found a youtube video showing them applying this to some saltwater slab jigs at a factory in China.
Nobody seemed to know what adhesive was used or the general process.
After a little playing around I found a system that works for me. I was doing some jigs from my Shawn Collins molds but decided to foil a few Do-It jigs as well.
This would work good on any slab or spoon jig.
They are hard to get a good pic of as they are just too shiny. But I do like them and they look like fish killers for sure.
Everybody who has seen them just loves this finish. I have some icefishing jigs dome this way to try this winter.
These are just foil with some silver paint on the seams but I can add whatever paint I want over the top.
They are sealed with a D2T topcoat.
These are some Do-It flutter jigs.
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These are from some of my Shawn collins molds.
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Those look super! What kind of foil is that and where do you get it?
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Looking good.
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Those look super! What kind of foil is that and where do you get it?
The foil is a 3D holographic foil I buy on EBAY. It is made for a kingsley paper foiling machine and comes on rolls 3"X100'.
I use a special adhesive foil binder to make it stick.
I have a long thread on this over on TU.
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Any chance you can copy that threat to this site?
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Sorry if this thread is long. I didn't just want to direct link to the thread on TU though you can read more about it over there.
It all started with this video from youtube showing a Chinese factory adding foil to some jigs.
http://youtu.be/-_Ioeq1KHk4
I figured somebody would know how they did it but alas got nowhere. So ..... I decided to figure it out for myself.
I bought some holographic foil meant for a paper foiling machine off of EBAY for $30 for 3 rolls.The foil is 3" wide by 100' long.
Then I bought some of this foil adhesive binder intended for adding foil to screen printed T-shirts.It cost me $30 for this quart container.
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The jig is firmly clamped on the end in a pair of Hemostats.
Then a piece of foil is cut to fit each side and set aside. You want it slightly longer and wider than your jig but not so long or wide your wasting foil.
I then use a cheap paint brush to apply as thin a coat as I can of the binder. It is water soluble so cleanup is easy and the brush reusable.
One quart of this stuff will do hundreds of jigs.
Leave off the binder where you do not want foil such as in the 3D eye sockets of your jig.
Next I heat the entire jig with my heat gun set at ~400*f.
The binder kicks over at 325* so it needs to at least be that hot for this to work.
Next I apply the foil to each side being careful not to wrinkle it.
I then clamp the entire jig and hemostats in a carpet lined wood workers vise as the jig is still very hot.
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The jigs come out looking as though the foil was vac sealed to the jig.basically a poor mans heat press.
I have looked into heat presses but they are expensive and have hard flat heat platens and none of my jigs are completly flat.
The heat presses are used to make T-shirts etc.
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(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x368/kasilofchrisn/IMAG0527_zps2a3368cc.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/kasilofchrisn/media/IMAG0527_zps2a3368cc.jpg.html)
Then I paint the seams with a metallic RC car paint. You can also paint other parts of the jig at this time with whatever color paints you desire.
This is also when I add the 3D eyes to the jig.
The next step is to add a top coat of Devcon 2 ton (D2T) 30 minute epoxy to seal it all onto the jig. Hang your jig to cure for 12-24 hours.
The final step is to add split rings and hooks.
These are hard to get a good picture of but look awesome in the hand.
Anybody who has seen these in person loves how they look.
They are super shiny and very good looking jigs.
I haven't tried them yet but I will soon on some pike and lake trout.
Then Halibut etc. next summer.
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x368/kasilofchrisn/IMAG0530_zpsf329a9ef.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/kasilofchrisn/media/IMAG0530_zpsf329a9ef.jpg.html)
You can read the entire thread over on TU in case I left something out or to learn how another guy does his with a different adhesive.
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That is WAY too cool. Thanks for sharing this with us all. I've always wondered about that and now I know much more about it. Very Nice. ;)
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Thank You!
Now I have something else to ponder. I can see a nice pile of transparent colors going on that foiled apparition.
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Great post, K. Thanks for freely sharing what you do. It's posts like this that makes this forum what it is today. We're privileged to have you among us.
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I've had some people ask about using a vaccuum sealer to do this process.
My answer is no it most likely will not work. Mainly because you have a jig that is 350*+ and I don't think a plastic bag will hold up to those temps.
Secondly and more importantly I don't put food or food tools near my lead or vice versa. When it goes into my lead jig workshop it either stays there or gets tossed but it never goes back to the kitchen or into food usage.
You are working with a raw lead jig and I wouldn't want to risk getting lead on my food at a later date. You will be handling a raw lead jig then touching your vac sealer buttons,insides, lid etc.
Yes you could sanitize it but like I said I don't think the bags will work on a hot jig anyways. And they are too expensive to use and toss if it doesn't work.
I have had some success rubbing the foil on with a rag or stiff bristle brush. But regardless I found the vice and carpet to work so well I will stick with it for now.
I would like to find some other foil patterns to try. I have been using Silver swirl and have a couple others to try from the same vendor but I'm sure the ones I really want are out there somewhere.
Google searches mainly bring up large companies that sell foil for other reasons and would not likely sell a small amount but rather like to sell wholesale to large companies for various uses such as security badges and drivers licenses etc.
Stampee foils website was down for some time but I may check them again in case they are available again.
If you try this post up some pics and details of what did and/or did not work for you.
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By the way with some "stuck on you" bonding powder,some pigment ink and some rubber stamps your wife can use this same foil to make birthday cards with foil lettering and all kinds of foil craft projects.
Look up stampee foils on youtube to see how it's done. I bought some and gave it to my mom with some foil I didn't care for on her birthday.
She's hard to shop for and she liked it and I got rid of my excess foil I didn't want. She likes scrapbooking and making custom cards but seemed to already have everything.
Be aware though your wives might try and steal your good foil if they find out how this works.
Or buy some for her and you and your both happy. ;)
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I want to try to do that to some resin baits... that type of finish should be a good clear water musky bait.
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That is awesome! Has anybody tried this on crankbaits?
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That is awesome! Has anybody tried this on crankbaits?
I watched a YouTube video of a guy putting foil on one.
When I have more time I'll link to his video.
I don't know what adhesive he uses but he coats the back of a foil strip. Then heats it and applies the strip. He repeats with more strips until the whole bait is covered. Then clearcoats.
I'm guessing the strips make it easier to contour to the bait.
Someone needs to try it and post their results here.
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I have used the "Mona Lisa" brand for gold and copper leaf. I have also use HVAC silver duct tape all of these have worked. If you check out you tube you will find a guy that has even used the skin off of fish he has caught. Buy they way he is a very good artist! Check out "SolarBaits". Kasilofchrism do you know if the stuff from stampede would work with out heat as wood and plastic lures may not due well with that high of heat?
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I have used the "Mona Lisa" brand for gold and copper leaf. I have also use HVAC silver duct tape all of these have worked. If you check out you tube you will find a guy that has even used the skin off of fish he has caught. Buy they way he is a very good artist! Check out "SolarBaits". Kasilofchrism do you know if the stuff from stampede would work with out heat as wood and plastic lures may not due well with that high of heat?
My method requires heat. Not for the foil but for the adhesive binder.
If you found another suitable glue it might work but I couldn't tell you where to look or what might work.
Here is a video on how someone did this on a resin or wood bait. It is not in english so I have no clue about his adhesive or whether or not it's the same as mine. You would have to buy some material and try it out.
http://youtu.be/FeQ5F0SmmJg (http://youtu.be/FeQ5F0SmmJg)
When I first started this project I did as much online research as possible then ordered up some materials and set to work testing things.
I know we all hate to waste money on projects that do not work but thats how new innovative techniques get developed. I invested over $85 in this project just to see if I could do it. Now I'm sharing the technique for free.
Other people need to start playing with this stuff and come up with some design ideas of their own.
I am waiting for some pics of other peoples creations.
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Thanks for the info, I will order some tomorrow.
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Thanks for the info, I will order some tomorrow.
I'm anxious to see someone from here do a wood or resin bait in foil.
I would really like to see the results and find out how they did it. Obviously based on the video I linked it will work with the right adhesive.
Good luck I hope you figure it out!
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Hey Chris, its Joe from T.U. you should check out "nail art transfer foil" on ebay. I have been using it and it works great ,a lot more color choices. Its about .99 cents for a 3 or four foot strip and you dont need heat to apply it.
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I just ordered some more foil. This time from Stampee foils. They had some patterns the other place did not. For $5.95 I got a sheet of holographic foil 5'X 4.75". or 285 square inches
The stuff I have already is ~$10 for a roll 3" wide X 100' long roll or roughly 3,600 square inches. Thats enough to do a lot of jigs.
I already have the adhesive and I know it works. I don't mind the heat process. It's quite easy and the jigs dont care.
How much foil do you get in the Nail art transfer foil for $.99 on EBAY? Might work well for the guys wanting to do a crankbait or something?
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The nail foils work great and can be used for many things tackle related. Here is the first attempt with the nail foils a while back.
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After some practice.
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Here is another product that works great that is sold by the same company.
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That root beer one. The last one. I need for Xmas. Please.
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Drew its a shame you retired. Your good.
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Drew its a shame you retired. Your good.
Justin, It's better to go out on top.. I guess...what talent it's a shame real shame