Custom Baits - Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Shane on 10/29/11 18:47 UTC
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I am a newb and am cosidering getting into this hobby. But am wondering what difference, if any, is there between the two types of baits. Besides the fact that injected is necessary for many baits with skirts and appendages.
This looks like a great site and I like the way Jason handles his business. I will certainly give him my business when I decide to buy. Just doing my homework now.
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"Hand Poured": Typically you pour the hot plastic into a one sided mold. (also called "open mold"). Jason has some open pour molds made from aluminum. You can also get some made from silicon or make your own from Plaster of Paris (POP). I personally am hand pour challenged and make really bad hand poured baits!
"Top Pour": You hand pour into the top hole of a two sided aluminum mold (a hole for each bait in the mold). Great for senko type baits...but "slow" in that you have to pour into each bait hole.
"Injection Mold": You use a hand injector to inject plastic into a single hole at the top of the mold and the plastic runs down the "sprues" (channels) into each bait cavity.
You get a fully round bait with top pours and injection molds.
IF you have the skill...you can get details like legs, curl tails, wings etc in open molds....but that is a big IF! You get one flat side (or semi rounded) with open pour. You get mold details (ribs etc) only on the other 3 sides.
Top pour molds are limited to worm (senko types) and some curl tail grubs. There are not very many open pour molds (I wish there were more!).
Injection is the way to go! Great details, "professional" looking baits. But the molds are the most expensive and you need an injector (a modest extra expense).
Good quality molds...make good quality baits. CCM molds are some of the best quality molds in the business.
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thanks for the reply, but I guess what I was meaning was, is the baits softer, or somehow advantageous to hand injected.
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Hand pour vs injected is a description of the method the mold is filled.
Softness / hardness is primarily determined by the plastic's formula. There are different formulas within a plastic family; typically Soft; Medium; and Hard. You can then mix the plastics in different ratios to "fine tune" if desired. Most freshwater baits are poured using medium; Hard is typically for salt water bait applications; Soft for super flexible applications, usually worms. Many also add salt and scents that will effect the bait's qualities.
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okay, thanks.
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thanks for the reply, but I guess what I was meaning was, is the baits softer, or somehow advantageous to hand injected.
Ease of use and cost are the biggest differences. Both have a place depending on the bait, budget and time constraints. The Stump Thumper and Freedom Fry are great OP's to start with, very easy to make. With injection pretty much all the baits are easy to master. I would try and start with something that is one of your favorites to fish. What do you like to fish with? Feel free to give me a call and we can walk through all the basic getting started stuff. There are some videos and lots of good info on the forum to help get started as well.
Welcome to the site!
Jason
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I have been hand pouring for quite some time and hand injecting for a shorter period.
No doubt hand injecting is pretty easy to master right out of the gate. Hand pouring is much more of a challenge unless you are just doing one color baits.
I started making my own plaser of paris molds (pop) as I could make hundreds and all for less than a $1 per mold. Moved up to aluminum molds but still have hundreds of pop molds and some are production still.
I guess the cool thing about hand pouring is, you can see what you are doing and that gives you isight when you start using the two piece molds. You kind of know how much plastic fills certain areas and also has helped me challenge the line between hand pouring and hand injecting.
All that being said, you can make as soft or firm of baits either way. You can use salt or other additives as easy either way (sometimes real heavy salt can give you fits by either method!!).
I think hand pouring is gone by the wayside since hand injection has come on the scene so hand pouring may be more of and art now. For some techniques, hand pouring is the only way to accomplish consistant results. For many baits, hand injection is the only way to make that bait effectively.
Either way, have fun!!!!
Jim
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Here is a really good reason to learn to hand pour. Some guys/gals that are really good may be able to do this with a blending block or hand pour only, but it is really easy to do by hand pouring the top and bottom, then injecting the middle. By knowing how to do a little of both you really open the door to a lot of possibilities.
5" Freedom Fry (Injection version)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z_XOmveQDK0/Tq7ex470h2I/AAAAAAAABoQ/JUoxunWDsWk/s720/485I_FreedomFry_Baits.jpg)
Your only limited by your imagination...
Jason
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Nice. Many have thought about hand pouring the bottom or belly of the mold but forget you can do the same thing with the top as well. Just takes a little practice and you can get some good consistency.
I like hand pouring mine when I want to run the vein through just part of the bait vs the whole bait.
(http://www.ghostbaits.com/crawflash%20coppercolorchart.JPG)
You are only limited by your imagination!!!!!
Jim
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Good looking craw!
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thanks for all of the help. I fish tubes and craws most of the time. But I also like trick worms and robo worm. I catch smallmouth or spots mostly. I fish the ohio river so I also like to sauger fish.
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If you like to fish saugers....try the CC Glider. They love that thing.
PM me your address and I'll send you some.
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Wow, Jason
that pic was "injected"? thats some serious consistantly, hats off to whoever made it!
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No, it is an example of using hand pour and injection. I poured the top and bottom and injected the middle. It is very easy to do.
Jason
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Andrew, how do you rig the gliders for sauger? And what colors seem to work the best?
Once I get my garage built, I hope to have the time to start doing some pouring. I'll probably just get all I would need for injecting, that way I can do either. I really like the idea of being able to make my own baits and molds for something truly unique.
I have been using bass pro's tender tubes in green pumpkin, which is my go to bait most of the time. But has anyone made a motoroil tube? did you get the color change in it like other baits?
Thanks to all who take the time to answer, it's greatly appreciated.
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I'm planning to fish for saugers and walleye tomorrow and I have had good success in the past fishing them on Owner darter head jigs:
http://www.basspro.com/Owner%E2%84%A2-UltraHead%E2%84%A2-Jigs-Darter-Head/product/15616/39833
I am also planning to lip hook them and troll them on Lindy Rigs off of 1 oz no snag weights (pencil weights) if the fish are deep and in the current. I also have done well using the floating jig heads off of the Lindy rig or pencil weights.
http://www.basspro.com/Northland-Fishing-Tackle-RockRunner%C2%AE-Bottom-Bouncer-Sinkers/product/20839/71903
This spring I had very good success with the darter jigs...on very lightweight braid...bouncing them off the bottom. Any tap and I set the hook!
My favorite colors are:
Clear with silver flake
Watermelon with red flake
Black with blue flake