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Soft Plastic Bait Making => Soft Plastic and Plastic Baits - How To??? => Topic started by: ghostbaits on 01/11/12 15:02 UTC
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Wondering what guys are shooting them in? Medium, medium-soft blend, soft?
I shot my first 200 in medium and they seem to be pretty tough but still swim fine. Haven't fished one yet but give me an hour or 2!!!!
Just wondering if anyone else can chime in on this. I know Jason is CCM medium...
Jim
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I am using medium-soft to soft - still experimenting. I love this bait - very versatile.
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Thanks! Still looking at the packaging also. If you put more than 5 you can stop the baits from moving but my big distributor told me they will sell 10:1 if packaged in a clam shell box. Gotta catch their eye he says in the store. I am going with the clams myself.
Little more but may be worth it. Cost can be passed along as well.
Jim
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REGULAR / MEDIUM!!! ;D
Jim knows me to well. That is my answer to everything. Seriously, I do my best to make the molds work with Regular, knowing most like them softer or harder. I figure if I can get it really close with regular it should make tweaking it a little either way easier for you. Hopefully I'm close most of the time.
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Where are you getting the clam shells?
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www.andex.com. I have the models I use on the shop computer. Be glad to post or PM. Case of 600t is around $90 + freight as best I can remember. Case is minimum.
Jim
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I made a bunch from CCM Medium...and the sure look good through a hole in the ice! (I can see them on my underwater camera setup).
I would imagine they would do even better in "soft water"!!!
FYI...I did manage to catch two pretty nice (about 3 lb) bass through the ice on the 3.5 Swim Shad the other day. I had a nice Northern Pike hit it...but I managed to miss her somehow.
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Jim, I am putting them in clams as well. Even outside the selling point- I just do not like how they look in a bag. This bait is one of my favorites so far, Jason.
I did shoot some soft before going to medium, and in CCM soft they are not durable enough in my opinion. The action in medium is just right in my opinion.
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Yeah, I really like how durable they are in medium. Action is great!!!! Where you buying clams????
Jim
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Quote from Ghostbaits --- "My big distributor told me they will sell 10:1 if packaged in a clam shell box." --- It is a poor sign of the times when the packaging is way more important than the product. On a side note of confirmation -- I have read where a lipstick tube and package costs more than the lipstick.
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In his defense, I can post a picture of each package option. No doubt he is right. Does suck though as the clams are far more than the bags.
My concern was the tails getting bent and the baits not swimming correctly. Swims just need a box in my mind.
Jim
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Jann's will sell you .14 a piece @ 1,000 units. In my opinion, that's a very good price for the quality and versatility of these baits. (read- right price to charge) ;)
Quality and versatility of course being something we've all agreed on thus far.
-Shawn
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If anyone would be interested in going in on an order or has a lot of these clamshells I would like 2 buy 25-50 if possible thanks.
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Jann's will sell you .14 a piece @ 1,000 units. In my opinion, that's a very good price for the quality and versatility of these baits. (read- right price to charge) ;)
Quality and versatility of course being something we've all agreed on thus far.
-Shawn
Shawn:
Did you talk with someone about that pricing I can call? On their site, 100 is 26 so .26 each. I already deal with Mann's as well but have not had any luck getting them to come off their advertised prices that much.
Thanks!!!
Jim
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To you swim shad experts. How many swim shad molds can be injected with a 4 oz. injector? Or - how many can be injected with a Basstackle Twinjector? Thanks.
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6oz does 5 molds perfectly for me. I made 500+ laminates last night and had 2 I rejected. WOW!!!!
So the twinjector does 5 molds if you move along quick. Any stopping and you may get a plugged injectorand miss the last mold.
Jim
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Jann's will sell you .14 a piece @ 1,000 units. In my opinion, that's a very good price for the quality and versatility of these baits. (read- right price to charge) ;)
-Shawn
Shawn:
If you are looking at the 3 1/4" model that are $14 for 100, try them before you buy them for the swim shad. They are to small. 3 1/4" is the outside of the box measurement so the box is slightly smaller than that. With the 3.5" bait, your tails will get bent up. I tried hard to make that size work for my existing small swims and was unpleasantly surprised.
Now if you are getting those 3 5/8" for .14, we need to talk!!!! :D
Jim
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:-[
I knew my wife was right when she said I am not a multitasker... I meant .24 per... -I fat fingered the keys-
That's what they were last time I ordered some. I just checked the site and I see the same .26 now too. Let me check around these next couple days and I'll let you know-
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Through Andex they are 0.15 each plus whatever freight ends up. I haven't been able to find anything close to that from a supply place. Andex makes them.
Jim
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To you swim shad experts. How many swim shad molds can be injected with a 4 oz. injector? Or - how many can be injected with a Basstackle Twinjector? Thanks.
2 positively 3 if your lucky with the CCM 4 oz injector, not sure with the BT injector.
I used the Calhoun soft for my first few batches and they are sweet! But now I've ordered some Plastisol to try. Anyone have any pointers on this stuff?
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To you swim shad experts. How many swim shad molds can be injected with a 4 oz. injector? Or - how many can be injected with a Basstackle Twinjector? Thanks.
I was able to get 3 out of our injector this A.M. Solid color, everything was cold and I had a good size plug left. 3 should be fine.
Please note, I did prep my molds with "onyonlyx ". ;D
Jason
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Through Andex they are 0.15 each plus whatever freight ends up. I haven't been able to find anything close to that from a supply place. Andex makes them.
Jim
Ok, so I was off on the pricing no doubt!!!! I changed to a shorter box and a case has 400. Essentially, they are 0.22 each plus the freight costs. This is through www.andex.net. I got a slight break ordering 2 cases. This one is stock #3095
What gripes me is that I get the larger boxes (5" long and a little deeper) from www.placon.com and they are only 0.18 each.
(http://www.ghostbaits.com/sshadinclam.jpg)
Current clam I use is stock #3089. I ordered one an inch shorter this round! Won't make a big deal in packaging but will make a big deal in shipping!
Makes no sense at all the larger are less! Also, if you look at the boxes you order from Jann's, LC etc, you will notice they are coming from Andex or Placon. They just buy them and mark them up to sell in smaller lots.
Jim
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They look really good in a box. Will definitely bring more displayed that way.
Jason
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Jim- I'll sell you 25 for $40.00 free shipping.
;D ;D
Seriously though, thanks for taking the time to check it out. I have looked at Plaxall, Great River, Impact-MFG, and so far Andex is the best deal.
Also- I received a request to make a "Cal-A-Bama" rig. In California, there is a three hook max, so while we're looking at packing for the shads, I need some custom work done to package these Cal-A_Bama rigs. These Cal guys crack me up with all the old things being called new and how quick the 'fads' switch! Yesterday's "new" thing was arm-long swimbaits you have to throw on a broomstick with a tuna rig in order to not break your rod or your arm. Today's new thing is the A-rig. Tomorrow the "new" thing will be a bucktail jig. I called it!
-Shawn
p.s. I mean no offense to the Cal guys out there. I live about 10 minutes from the Cal border so I get to play both games!
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Tread Carefully there SuperHarmonix ;D This California Kid loves his big swimbaits because the bass the love them-not the other way around. ;D
Jim - thanks for sharing the info on the packaging - that is much better than bagging them.
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If you have some extras of the size your not using id be happy 2 buy some. Just sayin :D thansk
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Another Idea....
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dAKbWsMBEyY/TxEhAfcEc_I/AAAAAAAAAFQ/ARM66FrLEu4/s640/0103121359.jpg)
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Wow, some more really nice baits. You guys are really kicking it up a notch.
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Thanks P.
All I do is lay them out on a piece of card stock like so
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1ntUocrJ1C0/TxEkpw0rgOI/AAAAAAAAAFk/8m6CBFSCegA/s640/0113122339.jpg)
Then slide them in the bag like so. I can get up to 10 in one of CCM's 7x4 bags.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-azm9-zGlsTE/TxEkpxqzclI/AAAAAAAAAFg/nHTv2VNqxNw/s640/0113122339a.jpg)
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Then you put them in a USPS approved mailer bubble pack and mail them to my address. :D
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Then you put them in a USPS approved mailer bubble pack and mail them to my address. :D
;D ;D ;D HAHAHAHA, LMBO ;D ;D ;D
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I do like the bag Dave! Have you left some in there for a month or so and taken them out to see what happens to the tails?
I am afraid that the tail will kink/turn as a result of how it is in the bag and cause the bait to not run straight. I compared the thickness of the bait to the 10" curl tail worms in the same area. If they are kinked for a couple weeks, the tail does not "swim" properly.
Just curious as I like how the bag works out. Plus bags are WAY less expensive!
Also, Paul's address is : 5391 Futch Rd Hahira, GA 31632!!! :D
Jim
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Another Idea....
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dAKbWsMBEyY/TxEhAfcEc_I/AAAAAAAAAFQ/ARM66FrLEu4/s640/0103121359.jpg)
PSS It looks like you are dipping the full body on these, does it affect the action at all? I have a few I did just for curiosity sake. I guess if you don't mess with the tail, all is good.
Jim
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Vacuum sealed bag....to keep them straight?
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LMBO Jim, On the sexy shad, those were some of my seconds that I threw in a bag. On a good set that is going out I carefully lay them on the card stock to package them. I really can't say how they look after a month or so, but now that you've mentioned it I will watch them. Hmmm, that is a good question. As for the body being dipped, yes sir! I dipped the entire body and it seems that it hasn't effected the action of the tail so far.
Andrew, no vacuum bags here partner. I just lay them in there without oil added to them and it seems to stick to the package really nice.
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Vacuum sealed bag....to keep them straight?
Vacuum sealed bag....to keep them straight?
I tried bagging them "straight" but for the tail to remain in the position it comes out of the mold, the baits have to either rest on the back of the bait or the belly of the bait. Any other position puts a twist between the tail and the body.
I have put some in a bag to start the test. Hopefully the baits get used up prior to anything going down but I'd hate to have a tackle store or angler call me a few months down the rode telling me the baits don't swim.
May seem overkill to most folks but I think if you take the time to produce a high level bait, no reason to overlook something simple that puts it back in the anglers box or the discount bin at a tackle store.
OK, I am obsessive/compulsive!!!! :D Now I can start the road to recovery!!!
Jim