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Offline gmintimidator

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Lead Pouring Equipment??
« on: 12/29/13 13:52 UTC »
I am still kicking around pouring my own lead jigs/sinkers.  I am curious what all people are using for a lead furnace?  I've been looking at the LEE site and they seem to have a couple of versions of bottom pour.  I assume they're the easiest.  I also can use a 240V version as I have that easily available in my shop.

I've never done this and only seen a bit of it on youtube.  Any suggestions on equipment would be appreciated.  Will any of the machines in the sub $100 range allor me to pour spinner baits?  Otherwise, how are they poured?

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Offline swingoil

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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #1 on: 12/29/13 14:44 UTC »
Daryll because of the wire it's really hard to pour a spinnerbait from a bottom pour pot. Your best bet is to get a ladle and pour them that way. It's way easier.

Offline smalljaw

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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #2 on: 12/29/13 14:44 UTC »
I have a Lee iV bottom pour, it holds 10lbs of lead and I have a Lee 4lb precision melting pot. I use the bottom pour for most of my jigs but I use the precision pot to remelt incomplete pours and I use it for spinnerbaits by hand pouring the lead with a ladle. The reason is the wire sticking out of the mold makes it difficult to use the bottom pour but once you get used to ladle pouring it gets pretty easy. Also have some eye protection as well as good ventilation and some good cotton mill gloves, there is a thread here that contains most of the safety items you will need to address. I've been using these for a very long time and they should work well for you.

Offline Muskygary

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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #3 on: 12/29/13 14:47 UTC »
Also, do-it has videos on lead pouring on the do-it site.

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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #4 on: 12/29/13 15:01 UTC »
Hey GM, I started almost 40 years ago on a stove top with a cast iron fry pan for my lead casting endeavors - that method served its purpose and had its own benefits, like easy production pouring, fast heating, and easy cleaning.  A few years back, I switched to a LEE 10# bottom pour and I really like it, especially for more precision work... I don't have any issues with wire baits that others speak of because I simply utilize the flex in the wire to get the mold in proper position for filling (and who know, maybe I just know how to position my tongue). :P 

Now, I primarily use the pan for making ingots for the bottom pour and for "speed pouring" on production molds.  LEE makes great products, and either voltage will get the job done, but the 240 will heat a little faster.

I've done ladle pouring in the past and I will not going back to that method.  Hope that helps.

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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #5 on: 12/29/13 15:17 UTC »
I have owned both the Lee pots - 10 & 20.  Each has it's advantages.  The spout on the 10# is easier to see and pour from than the 20; and I liked the way the the pouring handle worked better on the 10# as well.  But; both of the 10 # pots I had were bad to drip.  My family gave me a RCBS Pro melt furnace a couple of years ago.  A little pricey; but an excellent unit.  Very stable, NO drips, Excellent mold guide with very good adjustment. Very smooth, adjustable pouring lever ( it adjusts for left or right handed pouring ).  I really like my RCBS unit.  When working with molten lead, I am very safety conscious, and I think the RCBS unit is best for me.   

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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #6 on: 12/29/13 15:29 UTC »
When I started out pouring lead (a whole year ago!) I got some great  advice from CTom..."keep it simple" !

He suggested the Lee 4lb pot and the small ladle.

I'm really glad I took the advice!

I just pour for myself and some give-a-ways..and I can make more than enough!
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Offline gmintimidator

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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #7 on: 12/29/13 17:53 UTC »
Thanks for all the replies.  I should also clarify the use would be personal use and a couple of buddies, no production.

I was just curious if any of the bottom furnaces would do a spinner bait.  I don't use a lot of them but if I ever wanted to make some, might as well have the option.

I like the idea of the smaller setup (ie less molten metal), but really don't like the ladle.  It seems to me to be a bit less idiot proof and more prone to an accident.  I think if I do go ahead with this, I will be going with a bottom furnace probably the 10# version.  I can't see needing any more than that on the go.

Pjmcla, what does the RCBS unit do the others won't to justify the price point?  I am all for buying tools, but if I can't justify the value....

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« Reply #8 on: 12/29/13 21:08 UTC »
The RCBS unit is a more robust unit aimed more toward higher volume lead pourers.  Bullet pouring being the primary intended function I imagine.  It is a larger, stronger manufactured unit.  It has a stronger, more adjustable mold guide; a stronger more adjustable pouring lever, and a larger footprint.  Will it do things the Lee pots won't; from a jighead / fishing bait standpoint; I cannot say it will. Except for maybe a mold fit; but I have never poured spinner baits.  Do I find the RCBS unit easier to use; for me, yes.  Is it worth the price premium is a relative value question.   The family purchased mine several years ago when it was on sale; as a gift for me.             

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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #9 on: 12/30/13 00:50 UTC »
When I started out pouring lead (a whole year ago!) I got some great  advice from CTom..."keep it simple" !

He suggested the Lee 4lb pot and the small ladle.

I'm really glad I took the advice!

I just pour for myself and some give-a-ways..and I can make more than enough!
I'm with you Andy.  I'm using the same thing. Couldn't be easier, and you can make a seasons worth of jigs in short order with this simple little setup.------Tim.
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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #10 on: 12/30/13 09:14 UTC »
I have a couple of the Lee lever dump 10 pound pots in the cupboard and both dripped to some extent since day one. I put a small nail with a point sharpened to fit inside the nozzle after I removed the arm and plunger in each and ended that. I use them for small jobs today and as back-ups should I ever need one. Since then I have invested in 20 Lee pots as a simple furnace with no moving parts and feel that from a safety standpoint, this is the tops. Andrew has the 4 pound version and he too has the utmost in safety. Anything with moving parts is prone to problems in my book so the few parts that go clink, the better. IF I were to look towards a furnace with pouring capabilities, I'd go with the RCBS unit like Paul has. IF I were pouring complex pours - something other than a single hook and in some instances a keeper wire along side the hooks - I would be owning a RCBS unit. A friend has the RCBS furnace like what Do-It sells and he loves the machine for casting bullets. But he has the same 4 pound pot for casting his jigs that Andy has and loves that too.

In my opinion there is no short-cut in quality that is worthwhile if you are pouring jigs mechanically. The time keeping things clean isn't worth a few jigs. The problems you can encounter with leaks and drips can be dangerous and really annoying to have to take time to resolve. Spend the money for a great unit up front, or hand pour.

I've been down every road conceivable with jig making and have settled on hand pouring as the best fit for me. I have a spin caster sitting on a garage bench that can whip out 100 1/32 heads in twenty seconds and the heads just fall off the sprue, no trimming necessary. I don't use it because quite frankly its over kill for what I do today and requires the use of a fifty pound container of melted lead to do a decent run. Anyone heading to the get together that will give me $50.00 bucks for that chunk of machinery....I'll have it along. It works great for casting gold and silver jewelry too.

As for jigs, the most efficient way to cast them depends entirely on what your needs are and how much "stuff" you're willing to put up with, like drips and leaks.  I can cast 100 hooks in twenty minutes using the molds I own. Most of these cast a single head weight in multiples of 6 or 7 at a time. The only thing that changes is hook size and when I cast I do several hundred of one head size and no less than two hundred of a single hook size in that head. I have the ultimate control over every aspect of the process right down to assuring 100% pure lead is used, which is the only way to go unless you are casting sinkers. The only molds Do It sells that cannot be hand poured are the few precision molds that do require a drop pot. I have several of the professional mold and all hand pour beautifully. Personally I think people go way overboard  in casting equipment and that this is something people need to grow into instead of jumping in both feet forward.
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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #11 on: 12/30/13 14:00 UTC »
Reading all of these reminds me of how far I've come as a molder!!  Started out watching my Uncle with a big cast iron pot and just tossing the lead in, and then when I got old enough to cast on my own and wanted 10-15 sinkers I'd use and old piece of L shaped steel pipe and mold a couple at a time (any one reading this DON"T EVER DO IT!!!!!!!) I went to the cast iron when I started the pouring for my Uncle and his friends. 

I went to the Hot Pot II and poured it until the heating element died out.  It wasn't until the early 90's that I bought a LEE bottom pour, and it's what I still use.  As I've said elsewhere I don't leave lead in mine ever!!!  clean em' every time, But here again THAT'S ME!!! and we all have our own ways.  I don't get the leak problems unless I've been at it for 4-5 hours, and don't take the time to flux cause I'm pouring good. 

I only pour for me and maybe some trades so I have more than I use and that includes painted and unpainted, and I still keep making and painting

I think we all get in way over what we originally started out to do.  At one time I thought about getting a spin casting machine but that was a dream.  Whatever you get be safe!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Lead Pouring Equipment??
« Reply #12 on: 12/31/13 07:25 UTC »
I have a real small lead pot.  It sits on a stand and I pick it up and pour it into molds.  Its preety neat and it doesnt hurt the wallet like some pots can. I think I paid 30 bucks at Bass Pro for it.  Start small if you dont like it then you save a lot of money.  Just my 2 cents.