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Ned rig jigs hook size
« on: 07/29/19 15:34 UTC »
I just bought the do-it midwest finesse ned rig jig mold. I have no experience with ned rigs at all. I bought the recommended #1 owner hooks to go with it as recommended though they seem so small to me. Do you guys use these hooks or any other size? I know it says you can use a 1/0 hook as well.

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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #1 on: 07/29/19 17:20 UTC »
I like both sizes, Depending on the bait I'm rigging.

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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #2 on: 07/30/19 06:39 UTC »
A lot of anglers that are use to power fishing or fishing in dirty water don't know how to approach finesse fishing. In cold water months I've caught 5lb smallmouth on small 1/16oz hair jigs with a size 2 light wire hook and had no issues with hooks bending out or hooking the fish in general. The man who the Ned rig is named after, Ned Kehde, he doesn't use the Z-Man 'shroomZ heads because the hook is too big. He actually prefers a size #4 and #6 hook that most would see as a crappie hook but he fishes finesse all the time. The biggest mistake I see guys make is using tackle that is too heavy, a light to medium light spinning rod with 4# to 6# line is perfect. I know a lot of guys that think the Owner 5313 is too heavy but I like it because I can jump to 8# line if I'm using a medium light rod and not have to worry about the hook but it is sharp enough I still get full penetration with the light power rod and a 6# line. I use the #1 Owner 5313 a lot but I also make my own with a size #2 Eagle Claw Lil' Nasty sickle style hook. The small hooks let the bait fall a little more natural and actually allow the small stick worms to have some very subtle movement, a larger hook and the bait has zero movement. Remember too I'm talking about baits that are 2.5" to 2.75" long, at 3" or larger I'm use a #1 or 1/0 as I don't use anything larger than 3.25" for Ned Rigging.

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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #3 on: 07/30/19 12:34 UTC »
I use both sizes, but would agree that smaller is better. Remember the hook set should be a
sweeping motion, not your cross their eyes hard set!
Set like you do a circle hook and let it slide into place.





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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #4 on: 07/30/19 15:16 UTC »
Thanks for the input everybody. I tried pouring some 1/4 and 1/8 oz today and had a problem with all the 1/8 oz heads being lose on the hook. The 1/4 oz were tight to the hook with the exception of 1 or 2. Not sure how to solve this. Any advice? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #5 on: 07/30/19 16:13 UTC »
I use both sizes, but would agree that smaller is better. Remember the hook set should be a
sweeping motion, not your cross their eyes hard set!
Set like you do a circle hook and let it slide into place.

 True but it depends on what line you're using. If you're using mono then there is a lot of stretch and sweeping may not work well. I prefer to use 10 pound fluorocarbon on walleye and bass when fishing the ned rig. And with walleye I give it a short snap to get it in those boney teeth. I also like the little nasty's. It's just a sharp hook and I've yet to break one.

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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #6 on: 07/30/19 16:16 UTC »
Thanks for the input everybody. I tried pouring some 1/4 and 1/8 oz today and had a problem with all the 1/8 oz heads being lose on the hook. The 1/4 oz were tight to the hook with the exception of 1 or 2. Not sure how to solve this. Any advice? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #7 on: 07/30/19 16:23 UTC »
If you're using really pure lead, try adding some wheelweight lead to it. Harder casting lead will hold tighter to smaller areas of hook coverage.
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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #8 on: 07/30/19 16:39 UTC »
If you're using really pure lead, try adding some wheelweight lead to it. Harder casting lead will hold tighter to smaller areas of hook coverage.

  This is true but ( you know I love you Tom ) most of us are not good in knowing what pile of lead is what.  Tom is good at keeping the hard lead and soft lead apart. If you mix your lead with wheel weights and then try to pour something with detail in it you will have a disaster. So if you're good at that then fine. If not then live with what you got.

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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #9 on: 07/30/19 17:21 UTC »
Heating the hooks and parts help keep the lead from shying away causing loose hooks and parts.

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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #10 on: 07/30/19 19:09 UTC »
  This is true but ( you know I love you Tom ) most of us are not good in knowing what pile of lead is what.  Tom is good at keeping the hard lead and soft lead apart. If you mix your lead with wheel weights and then try to pour something with detail in it you will have a disaster. So if you're good at that then fine. If not then live with what you got.

I have one 5 pound plug of hardened lead that I'll heat up in an old pot if I need to but for the most part I do not get into it very often.
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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #11 on: 07/31/19 09:45 UTC »
I powder painted and baked a bunch of lose 1/8 oz jigs and they are now very solid to play with in my hand. Not sure how durable they will be while fishing.  Thanks everyone.

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Re: Ned rig jigs hook size
« Reply #12 on: 07/31/19 10:14 UTC »
A lot of anglers that are use to power fishing or fishing in dirty water don't know how to approach finesse fishing. In cold water months I've caught 5lb smallmouth on small 1/16oz hair jigs with a size 2 light wire hook and had no issues with hooks bending out or hooking the fish in general. The man who the Ned rig is named after, Ned Kehde, he doesn't use the Z-Man 'shroomZ heads because the hook is too big. He actually prefers a size #4 and #6 hook that most would see as a crappie hook but he fishes finesse all the time. The biggest mistake I see guys make is using tackle that is too heavy, a light to medium light spinning rod with 4# to 6# line is perfect. I know a lot of guys that think the Owner 5313 is too heavy but I like it because I can jump to 8# line if I'm using a medium light rod and not have to worry about the hook but it is sharp enough I still get full penetration with the light power rod and a 6# line. I use the #1 Owner 5313 a lot but I also make my own with a size #2 Eagle Claw Lil' Nasty sickle style hook. The small hooks let the bait fall a little more natural and actually allow the small stick worms to have some very subtle movement, a larger hook and the bait has zero movement. Remember too I'm talking about baits that are 2.5" to 2.75" long, at 3" or larger I'm use a #1 or 1/0 as I don't use anything larger than 3.25" for Ned Rigging.

Smalljaw nailed it ^^

Thanks for the input everybody. I tried pouring some 1/4 and 1/8 oz today and had a problem with all the 1/8 oz heads being lose on the hook. The 1/4 oz were tight to the hook with the exception of 1 or 2. Not sure how to solve this. Any advice? Thanks in advance.

Seconding what CTOM had to say, a harder lead casts best in the Midwest Finesse mold.  I start with a 1/4 of a wheel weight and add more until the lead holds the hook tight on the smaller cavities.  When I'm finished, I pour all of my dirty lead out so I can keep it separate from my clean lead. By the time you use a harder lead, powder paint and bake them they will be rock solid.