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Offline Big Ugly

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powder coating
« on: 05/18/21 21:34 UTC »
Hello everyone hope you are all well. my inquirey is about a device that i saw opn a few videos. I have toyed with powder coating but5 not with this air bed> type piece of equiptment.
!st question...do you use this and how do you like it
second questyion, is this something i can buy?
thjree for a quarter...the heat gun  also seems to remove the ist step of baking atg 250 for twenty minutes.
i guess the only thing i havent asked is you will fly to philadelphia and come make them for med...i watch really well! lol ty
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Offline alwrenn

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Re: powder coating
« Reply #1 on: 05/18/21 21:46 UTC »
Hey Big Ugly,

YouTube is a rich source on how to make these.  They are easy and cheap to make.  The hardest part is deciding what material you want to use as a filter.  I use lab grade filter paper.

They are not necessary but provide for a more consistent paint job because air separates the paint and makes it look like "fluid" as you dip your jigs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR-gOvAH4kc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4YR-CyeE9k

Offline alwrenn

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Re: powder coating
« Reply #2 on: 05/18/21 22:40 UTC »
I prefer to use the fluid bed because it is consistent.  Yes you can buy them.  Jann's netcraft and Lure parts online sell them.....I'm sure that others sell them as well.


https://www.lurepartsonline.com/search?keywords=fluid%20bed

https://www.jannsnetcraft.com/Search/fluid%20bed.aspx

The heat gun is for preparing the jigs to dip into the paint.  I would get a toaster oven, or use your home oven, to cure the paint so that it won't crack as easily.

PM me so that I can give you my address to mail my tickets to Philly.......I will take express mailed Philly Cheese Steaks in lieu of air travel!

Offline anyfish

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Re: powder coating
« Reply #3 on: 05/18/21 22:43 UTC »
I have one I made out of PVC and fish tank parts.  It worked fine, but I found it easier for me to either spray powder paint or just dip it in the jar it came in but I buy in small quantities.

You can buy equipment at various places.  Here is one example from TJs tackle https://www.tjstackle.com/fluidbed2.htm

The heat gun or some other heat source (even a lighter or alcohol burner) does eliminate the need to heat the lead in an oven before painting.   

Play around with various heat options until you find what fits you best.  If you do try a fluid bed remember you will need a size and enough paint to cover what you are trying to paint.  A spinnerbait will take a larger cup than a small jig because of the wire.

Hope it helps.


Offline Big Ugly

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Re: powder coating
« Reply #4 on: 05/19/21 12:08 UTC »
having an issue with this reply in the process of sending a philly cheese steak with fried onions, mushrooms and extra cheese and sauce. it is being droppewd in by helicopter around dinner time ...be careful its heavy...thanks Al
i think i am going to get the waterbed and the heat gun...i watched like 5 you tube videoos as always when questions artise. ty
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Re: powder coating
« Reply #5 on: 05/19/21 20:01 UTC »
I would get a toaster oven, or use your home oven, to cure the paint so that it won't crack as easily.

x2 on the oven!!!... it's also good for keeping extra molds and/or multiple colors of plastic warm if you are ever switching back and forth in production.

Offline Coosa Redeye

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Re: powder coating
« Reply #6 on: 06/05/21 16:32 UTC »
If you make some fluid beds (which I highly recommend), use Tyvek mailing envelopes as the filter.

Offline Lamar

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Re: powder coating
« Reply #7 on: 06/06/21 06:52 UTC »
 Go to TJ's and buy the fluid bed and air pump. You'll also want to buy extra cups. They have great videos too. http://www.tjstackle.com
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Offline Lines

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Re: powder coating
« Reply #8 on: 06/06/21 08:32 UTC »
Lamar speaks the truth. I bought my air bed and extra cups from TJ's. I got the suggestion from a previous post by Lamar a couple years ago.
I am very pleased with them.
Thanks Lamar!
« Last Edit: 06/06/21 08:33 UTC by Lines »

Offline Lamar

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Re: powder coating
« Reply #9 on: 06/07/21 06:18 UTC »
  I have the two inch one. Just buy extra cups and keep one cup for each color. Once you get the color in there they are hard to clean out. So I just store the paint in the cup and mark with a magic marker what it is on the cup. And like the rest of this hobby if you think you'll need five different colors then by 35 cups. It will grow on you.

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Re: powder coating
« Reply #10 on: 06/07/21 13:36 UTC »
I also bought my fluid bed from TJ's many years ago. I have a 4" diameter bed. TJ's was clearing out the 4", said they were no longer going to sell that size, so I ended up buying every additional cup they had and they made some extra for me. Great business to deal with!

One thing that is often not mentioned in these powder coat discussions, is moisture and how it affects the process. Fine powders of any type, even food such as flour, tend to absorb moisture, even from humidity in the air. In discussions, some folks complain about coating problems, and they get many replies about heat and so forth, but it's probably that some have problems because they don't keep their powders dry. When you get powders, at least in bulk, they have a label that states that it's best to keep them sealed and dry!

I use bulk powder, bought by the pound, and I put forth a lot of effort keeping powders sealed in containers, and in my bed cups, I seal them and place silica gel packs in the cups when not in use, to aid in limiting moisture. I live in SC, and this time of year and into the late fall it can be very humid. Even a tiny bit of moisture can affect how the powders coat, and that's going to have some affect on your end result. 

None of this is real critical, not life or death, but I read a lot of comments on topics like this and frankly, some of it makes me cringe because of the misinformation that is passed around. Keep the powders as dry as possible. Learn what heat is best for you, and be consistent in your process once you do figure it out. As the size of the jigs you're coating changes you may need to make some adjustments, simply due to a difference in surface area, but's not going to be extreme.

In a recent Facebook discussion, I mentioned exactly this, and posted photo's of some jigs that I had coated and I explained what I do. I specifically said, make sure the powder is fluid, and "fluffy", and I said only dip, straight in & out. That will provide an even coat, and the thinnest coat, which is what you want with most powders, and sure enough, another person commented to swish the jig around in the powder! OK, we all do things a bit differently,  but that contradicts logic if the problem is getting too much powder on the jig. The longer that jig is in that powder, the more powder will get on the jig! That also applies to this moisture issue and IMO, a lot of folks do things that defeats the use of powder coat.

Again, you're coating a jig, and not curing cancer, but use a bit of sense & good judgement about it. Thin, even coats will provide the best results. The temperature for coating and curing should be close to being consistent in your process and the powder manufacturer tells you what temperature they should be cured at and the time frame to be used. Most that I use cure at 400 degree's and I get very good results at around that temp for about 20 minutes with most jigs. I also have powders that cure at 350 degree's, and they're not the same so I adjust as is needed. I use an oven and I set the temperatures using a calibrated oven thermometer.  Some use other heating methods and that's fine as long as that works for them, but to me the oven is just as practical and I have better control of the temperatures. I paid $35 for my oven new and have been told, by others, I can't afford an oven, yet they'll pay $30 for a heat gun!  ::)

Another thing that I do, is dip everything in acetone prior to coating and heating, to remove any oils, and allow them to dry completely. Powder paints are basically a thermoplastic, and the base metal needs to be clean, or it can't bond to it. Even the oil from your fingers can affect the bond of the powder to the lead, and this is a quick and cheap way to fix that as a potential problem. It's also another thing I read nothing about when folks make comments.  I have read alcohol recommended for this too, but alcohol will not remove all oils, plus it has some water in it. It will dry with the heat, but will also leave a residue. I sell jigs, and I want them to last for my customers. They're not indestructible, but I don't get any complaints either. IMO, most folks who have problems with powder coat, create their own problems. The process is simple, but it can be fouled up by doing things that contradict good sense.

That's how you get good results with powder coat, do the common sense things and be consistent in your process, and adjust only if needed.

I've been using these powders for about 25 years, so I've had a good bit of experience with them, and I certainly have learned some of this the hard way, by making these mistakes. Only a fool continues to make the same mistakes over & over.  ;)



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