Author Topic: Those who have the new livescopes by Garmin, Lowrance, and Hummingbird  (Read 3817 times)

Offline Muskygary

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Those who have the new livescopes by Garmin, Lowrance, Hummingbird; what do you think about them? Which is best for someone just starting out? Is one easier to use than the others? Would like to buy one, but don't know what I want.

Offline Les Young

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Gary i have the echomap uhd 93 sv from garmin & a buddy has a helix 9 for megalive. I have a humminbird at console & one at bow but would have had to went to a gen 3 or 4 unit so it was cheaper for me to go with garmin for a dedicated livescope unit. I've fished with both though.  I personally  like garmin but have would use either & be happy . Really the only knock on garmin for me is that a 9" screen of theirs is actually quite a bit smaller than a 9" helix unit & wish they'd  configure their screens like humminbird. I actually talked to a  buddy Friday that had Lowrance on his new boat & sold them & replaced them with the new livescope plus & said he really likes it. He also went & won the friday nighter with it after talking to him earlier that day. lol
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Offline Muskygary

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Thanks, That information helps!

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 I went with the Mega Live from Hummingbird because I have all Hummingbirds units on my boat. They are all linked with the one up front being a G3 so it runs the mega live and the mega 360. So cheaper for me just to buy the mega live. These things are so new and our bass are just coming off off the beds and the bucks are guarding fry. I don't care what you got you're not going to see a bass guarding fry in a patch of lily pads. Now when they move out to the points and the flats and when they're chasing bait I can see where this is going to be a game changer. Now for crappie fisherman it's really going to pay off. You could see if there's fish or not in or around a brush pile.
 I also see where psychiatric help is going to be needed with these units. Before we always assumed  there was no fish in spots we fished and now we see the fish but can't get them to bite. Trust me it's frustrating. Plus going home and explaining to the wife why you spend so much money on fishing equipment and still can't catch any fish. I'm beginning to agree with her that I'm a total fool.

Offline ctom

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  I also see where psychiatric help is going to be needed with these units. Before we always assumed there was no fish in spots we fished and now we see the fish but can't get them to bite. Trust me it's frustrating. Plus going home and explaining to the wife why you spend so much money on fishing equipment and still can't catch any fish. I'm beginning to agree with her that I'm a total fool.

And therein lies the big problem. Personally I think the psychiatric aspect should be dealt with BEFORE the money is spent on these toys. My last boat had a simple locator with a flasher mode and I used that more than the locator function. I also, in part, used the surface temp function , but did not rely on that temp for my fishing. I think today's anglers under 60 years of age are spoiled to the use of technology unless they have actually fished without it [learned to fish before the toys became commonplace] and figured the fish out and then applied that experience to a similar experience while using the electronic tools.

At some point in the future I can see fishing regulations and limits change dramatically for persons using [and because of] the amped up technology and I'd support it fully.
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At some point in the future I can see fishing regulations and limits change dramatically for persons using [and because of] the amped up technology and I'd support it fully.
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  Everyone that doesn't own one says that. Until they own one. Then they like them.

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Doesn't matter what people think. It'll boil down to whether DNRs think they are tipping the scales and making kepth catchs become an issue with healthy fish numbers.

Catch and release anglers will not be the issue. Its those that keep fish. And there are maybe 5-6 times as many people who read pages like these, many for no other reason than to get on a hot bite and rape it. They contibute zip to pages like these.

I have a feeling that you, Lamar, are one of those who learned to fish long before your electronics came into play. I'd also be that if your unit or battery died you could still figure out how to put some fish in the boat. I know people who think the world has ended if their batteries are dead, trailer up and go home.
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  I remember taking a mushroom anchor and dropping it on a rope and feeling for a hard bottom and then a guy showed me how to attach a chain so you could feel it better and I thought that was cheating. A group of us old guys were talking about this the other day after a tournament. Ohio lakes are small and it seems like every tree or brush pile has a pontoon boat anchored on it every day. And they are meat hunters taking every fish they catch. It's no wonder our fishing is so bad. It doesn't take electronics to catch those fish with live bait. Where I go to in Canada is a lake that you have to portage to and only has one camp on it's chain of 13 lakes. 20 years ago the camp owner made a camp rule ( not a DNR rule ) that guest agree to not keep any walleyes over 18 inches. I've been going there for 28 years and since then the lakes have become a premier walleye fishery. We caught good walleye before but nothing like we do now. 50 to 60 a day with the majority of them over 18 inches. And guest bring those side finders, 360's and forward facing sonars. I don't know why I have an old flasher just so I can see the depth and all they have is rock or sand and you can look at the shore line and see what you're in. So that's why I feel until you convince the meat hunters to back off then it's only going to get worse. And then you go out there and they have their radios turn up and that pretty much tells you they don't care about the outdoors anyways.

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  So that's why I feel until you convince the meat hunters to back off then it's only going to get worse. And then you go out there and they have their radios turn up and that pretty much tells you they don't care about the outdoors anyways.

Agree 100% Lamar.
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There was a study on the effects of live sonar by a dnr & they came to the conclusion that it wasn't hurting the fishing at all.  I really don't see much of a difference in the meat fishermen that have live sonar. They're still going to keep what they catch. The fish also have to bite & sonar don't make them bite although i do understand what Tom's saying because some of the meat fishermen didn't have a clue if there were fish there if they didn't have sonar before but will sit on them now since they know they're there which will lead to more catches.  The actual sport fishermen ain't going to keep anymore than they did before. I personally never kept a single fish Friday night myself & turned them all loose.  I will start keeping a few from time to time but not often mainly because i'm to sorry to clean them.  ;D

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From a user friendliness perspective, I think Active Target by Lowrance is your best option. Live Scope has more settings to make your micro adjustments (honing in on fish in grass, timber, etc, to reduce background noise and make fish stand out better) but out of the box, Lowrance is very universal in all situations and beginner friendly. I don't find myself needing to adjust anything other than contrast from time to time, and find that small contrast adjustments do everything I need them to no matter what scenario I'm dealt with.

I've spent quite a lot of time behind Scope and Active Target. You won't be disappointed with either. I'm not terribly impressed with Mega Live's image quality, but I'd bet within a few years they get that straightened out, and it's still "good enough" to get the job, just a little more difficult to consistently find fish, particularly when they're hugging bottom.

Garmin's Live Scope is compatible with Garmin's more cost effective line of head units, where Lowrance you'll need an HDS or Carbon series (Carbon now discontinued) so you'll have to shell out more coin to get up and running with Lowrance, and their forward facing sonar kit is already more expensive.

From an install perspective, I've done them all and none of them are fun! Lol

You won't go wrong on any route, so I'd let the brand of your existing units determine what to proceed with if it were me!

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Right now I run Hummingbird on a Minn-Kota I-pilot. I'll look at all of them, but I think the Active Target is going to be my choice. Thanks for all the information.

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Right now I run Hummingbird on a Minn-Kota I-pilot. I'll look at all of them, but I think the Active Target is going to be my choice. Thanks for all the information.

Active Target is great, you'll love it. I'd recommend an HDS 12 for your display. The 9 is very doable but you'll lose image quality making it a little harder to quickly distinguish fish. More money but well worth it. I'm going to try to find a used Carbon 16 that I can dedicate to Active Target. Might need a fifth battery to power everything but I'll be watching them on the big screen. After that will be a La-Z-Boy on the deck.  8)

Keep us updated and happy shopping!

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I went with the Mega Live from Hummingbird because I have all Hummingbirds units on my boat. They are all linked with the one up front being a G3 so it runs the mega live and the mega 360. So cheaper for me just to buy the mega live. These things are so new and our bass are just coming off off the beds and the bucks are guarding fry. I don't care what you got you're not going to see a bass guarding fry in a patch of lily pads. Now when they move out to the points and the flats and when they're chasing bait I can see where this is going to be a game changer. Now for crappie fisherman it's really going to pay off. You could see if there's fish or not in or around a brush pile.
 I also see where psychiatric help is going to be needed with these units. Before we always assumed  there was no fish in spots we fished and now we see the fish but can't get them to bite. Trust me it's frustrating. Plus going home and explaining to the wife why you spend so much money on fishing equipment and still can't catch any fish. I'm beginning to agree with her that I'm a total fool.

It's definitely eye opening to see the areas that "must not have fish on them", actually full of life when you point the transducer at them.  :o

Seeing them is one thing, catching them is another. I think this is the biggest misconception from the opposed. I use mine more for validating areas that are in fact holding fish and reading their mannerisms, how they react to particular baits and colors, preference on rate of fall, which is also constantly changing. There are definitely days and areas where you'll always be better off fan casting and not trying to snipe individual fish (your fry guarder scenario above). At least for me, it's not a daily occurrence where I can sit on them and "video game" fish them. Usually make some accurate casts with a few different baits determined by how the fish are positioned, and move on if there doesn't appear to be any interest by their mannerisms. However, I do take full advantage of those video game fishing situations when they present themselves.  8)

There's a steep learning curve. I've watched many people stumble with the technology and hurt their fishing badly by relying on it too heavily, getting hung up on fish and not covering water. I know of a few people that actually removed it from their boats for this reason. Inactive fish are inactive fish. There's a chance you can get them to react or finesse them to bite but by then, your time had likely been better spent searching for new fish than cycling through a dozen baits. I think this is what most people struggle with in the beginning.

It's here to stay and super difficult to compete these days without it on many styles of bodies of water (talking tournaments), but instinct, exposure to different water, adapting to conditions, and overall experience on the water will never be made up for with forward facing sonar. I think if you culminate all of this and dedicate months worth of hours to learning it, you can elevate yourself beyond the others without it but it takes time, and it's certainly not a seamless transition into most people's style of fishing. To me, it's definitely "earned" like the rest of the characteristics that shape a good angler overtime.

This has been a hot button subject since it's arrival and I'm always curious to hear perspectives. Good discussion!

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  Another thing that hasn't been discussed here yet is when you add bigger graphs you'll also need to look at your batteries and determine if they are big enough. These add ons are battery eaters. You may even need to jump to lithium and then that means a new charging system as well. So not cheap.