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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #30 on: 09/26/12 05:34 UTC »
Thanks all. I did see the video about preheating the mold on top of the pot prior to pouring; I forgot to do it. :(

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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #31 on: 09/26/12 07:46 UTC »
Jig making....been doing this a long time. I made my first jigs in 1965 using an oak mold.

I'll add to this.

Bareknuckle has the right idea for pre-heating aluminum jig molds. I fill all of the cavities, going to be used or not, and let the lead sit in the mold about 20 seconds before popping the castings out. Depending on the size of the jig I may do this ten times or so and this depends on the air temp. On 1/32 heads in January I bring the mold in the house for a day before pre-heating and that mold will get filled at least ten times to warm it and that includes filling the larger heating chambe under the jig cavities. Get the mold hot. If you can't hold the aluminum with a bare hand, then its hot enough.

Wheel weights have a ton of tin and antinomy in them and can be darned hard to cast with especially in the very small jigs. I'd avoid using that metal source for jigs under 1/8. The absolute best lead in the world for casting jigs comes in 1/8" 4X8 foot sheets used in the walls of medical x-ray facilities. Living with the Mayo Clinic and two of its affliated hospitals only blocks away is a bonus for me when they do u-grades to these rooms. Having friends in the construction trades that does the work is the frosting. I'll come home occasionally to find five or six pieces of rolled lead weighing up to 100 pounds laying in front of the garage door. I melt it into two pound ingots for use. Plumber's lead is yet another source of pure lead. Pure lead is easier on the heating elements in your electric hot pots too and for trimming sprues the pure lead can be snapped off, no cutting needed. Snapped sprues leave little evidence while cut sprues always leave a sharp cut edge.

I went to a Hobby Lobby and picked up a couple different sizes of bead pliers. These are used to hold beads while making jewelry and the two sizes I picked up hold jigheads from 1/64 to 1/16 using the smaller plier and up to 1/4 heads in the other. They grasp the head and hold it firmly without denting or mis-shaping the heads while the sprues get  snapped off. I make some flathead jigs up to 3/4 ounce and they require no tools at all to trim sprues as long as pure lead is used.

By holding the hook end in a needle-nosed pliers you can slip the lead end just into the hot lead of the pot to get a bad casting off the hook. Don't bank on doing this too many times with the same hook as the temper in the fine wire will change in a hurry. And regarding hooks, buy quality hooks that YOU are satifisfied with. All of the Mustads have done me well over the many years. VMC's, Matzuos, Gamis, and some of the Ditachi's are great hooks to work with as well. The bottom line on the hooks is that if you have trust and faith in them, the whole of what you are doing with casting and all will reflect that. I stay away from Eagle Claws. The gold hooks are brittle in my opinion and the bronzed ones have too much laquer on them. When they get cast the laquer shrinks away from the lead leaving a loose casting on the hook.

I'm going to offer a couple suggestions from an ice angler here since we are talking jigs. Instead of dumping a dozen of one color of a jig and size into an open tray, pick up some jig boxes that allow the jigs to be clipped into place so the can't fall out or rattle around. This is how I manage my small jigs and they stay nice and clean and ready for use without having to untangle 200 jigs to get one. Boxes for jigs to be kept in the fashion just mentioned do well with small jigs but larger ones are harder to deal with. For jigs 1/8 and up I line the bottoms of the compartments holding jigs with 1/4" foam bought at a fabric store. I cover the jigs in those compartments with another pice of foam that is 1/2" thick. When I close the box cover the foam holds those jigs in a rattle-free world. The paint and hooks stay protected this way and will provide you with a lot more service. Nothing is more disgusting than opening a box of jigs and seeing paint chips, rust, curled hook points.....you take care of them, they'll take care of you.
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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #32 on: 09/26/12 07:58 UTC »
Well I rested the mold on the pot and tried to pour in some lead into empty cavities but it fell through the bottom. I still got bad results casting. So now I need to find a supplier for pure lead. There's a few on Ebay for cheap. I'll check locally first.

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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #33 on: 09/26/12 07:59 UTC »
Awesome Mr. Tom!  That Icing is mighty sweet!  One of my main sources for Soft Lead is the Pistol Range at the local Shooting Range.  A 5 gallon bucket and a little time while noone is there shooting will yield quite a few pounds of good lead, You just have to do a bit of cleaning the melt, and getting the Copper Bullet Jackets out is not bad...I use a stainless Pasta Spoon for removing Jackets from the lead melt.  And remember, Water and Molten Lead DO NOT MIX.  Even a drop of sweat into Your hot lead pot will be Splatteringly Explosive...BACK UP...QUICKLY!
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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #34 on: 09/26/12 09:05 UTC »
X2 and X3 re Ctom and Gary.  Lots of good stuff there.
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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #35 on: 09/26/12 09:46 UTC »
Thank You, Mr. Denny Sir!  One thing I didn't add (because Water and Lead don't mix) is that when I get Bullets from the Pistol Range (outdoor range, of course), the Bullets are covered and sometimes filled with Dirt.  I rinse them in the bucket, with much agitation, rinse/agitate again, then pick all the bullets out, rinse the mud out of the bucket, then another rinse or two.  Then I'll set them where they can dry for days or weeks before I "store" them...keep them dry!  Another good thing with the Bullets is the Lead in them is almost always Soft and Pure (unless the maker used hard/harder lead in them for other purposes).  Why?  Because pure lead is used for 1, weight...pure lead is heavier than hard lead.  2, expansion....soft lead expands easier...it's also cheaper than hard lead (believe it or not) because Tin, Zinc and Antimony is much more expensive than Lead.  If You find Pure Lead more expensive, it's probably a "demand/popularity" issue...unless You're getting free or near-free lead.  Scrap Yards can also be a source for lead.  If dealing with Scrap Yards, always check the hardness.
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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #36 on: 09/26/12 09:51 UTC »
Kip....

I've read the whole thread and can't see where you have identified the mold type....what is the head shape. I know you wanted to do football heads. If you are casting footballs you'll see a run of lead out of the hook grooves below the head cavity. There's an awaful lot of lead in there to fill the hole and it will hang onto het pretty well so I don't think you are doing anything wrong there. Try cutting off some old jighooks leaving enough of the shank to fit into the grooves, close the mold and try filling again. With a stub in there it should hold lead.

Are you dropping lead thru a nozzle on the bottom of a hot pot or are you ladling lead into the cavities? If you are shooting out the bottom of a hot pot, try a ladle on a few.....or vice versa. Sometimes how you get the lead into a mold makes all the difference in the world with regard to the finished product.
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« Reply #37 on: 09/26/12 10:53 UTC »
I can't remember if I told this story or not so I'll do it again.  I picked up a lot of scrap lead from the recycling center.  It was clean on one side, but had a heavy paper glued on the other.  I tried to scrape the paper off and then tried to burn it off with a torch, but nothing seemed to work.  I finally cut the lead into manageable pieces and began melting it down into ingots.  The paper burned off, but there was smoke and flame.  I try to do this kind of stuff early in the morning.  My neighbor, Julie, looks down at my place and can see right into the shop.  She sees smoke and fire and me in gloves and a face mask.  She sends her husband, Tony, down to see what's going on.  I asked Tony if he had seen Rosemary, my wife, lately.  Tony says, "No".  I tell him that Rosemary and I had an argument that got out of control and that I was, well, "cleaning up the mess" and that Rosemary wouldn't be around anymore.  I told him not to tell anyone.  Tony raised his eyebrows and walks up the hill to his place and tells Julie.  Rosemary drove away an hour later to go to work.  I got a call a minute later from Julie...I learned a few new words and was told to do things you can't do to yourself.

Never a dull moment.
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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #38 on: 09/26/12 11:21 UTC »
Kip....

I've read the whole thread and can't see where you have identified the mold type....what is the head shape. I know you wanted to do football heads. If you are casting footballs you'll see a run of lead out of the hook grooves below the head cavity. There's an awaful lot of lead in there to fill the hole and it will hang onto het pretty well so I don't think you are doing anything wrong there. Try cutting off some old jighooks leaving enough of the shank to fit into the grooves, close the mold and try filling again. With a stub in there it should hold lead.

Are you dropping lead thru a nozzle on the bottom of a hot pot or are you ladling lead into the cavities? If you are shooting out the bottom of a hot pot, try a ladle on a few.....or vice versa. Sometimes how you get the lead into a mold makes all the difference in the world with regard to the finished product.

When I get home I'll post the mold model. It is a Do-it Weedless football jig mold. 3/4oz to 1 1/2oz model, 3 cavities.  When I stated I was pouring in lead and it cam out the bottom, nothing was inside the mold. Just trying to heat it up. I wonder if a heat gun would do for heating the mold?
 I did order some soft lead off ebay 10# for $20. I found another source, but they require $50 minimum order, it breaks down to $1.60 per pound plus freight cost. If anyone is interested it's www.abmlead.com. I do know it's 99.9% pure lead and comes in 2-3# ingots.

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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #39 on: 09/26/12 11:41 UTC »
I can't remember if I told this story or not so I'll do it again.  I picked up a lot of scrap lead from the recycling center.  It was clean on one side, but had a heavy paper glued on the other.  I tried to scrape the paper off and then tried to burn it off with a torch, but nothing seemed to work.  I finally cut the lead into manageable pieces and began melting it down into ingots.  The paper burned off, but there was smoke and flame.  I try to do this kind of stuff early in the morning.  My neighbor, Julie, looks down at my place and can see right into the shop.  She sees smoke and fire and me in gloves and a face mask.  She sends her husband, Tony, down to see what's going on.  I asked Tony if he had seen Rosemary, my wife, lately.  Tony says, "No".  I tell him that Rosemary and I had an argument that got out of control and that I was, well, "cleaning up the mess" and that Rosemary wouldn't be around anymore.  I told him not to tell anyone.  Tony raised his eyebrows and walks up the hill to his place and tells Julie.  Rosemary drove away an hour later to go to work.  I got a call a minute later from Julie...I learned a few new words and was told to do things you can't do to yourself.

Never a dull moment.

This is how one gets hinself in trouble. lol

We have parkland behind our house. I sat on the steps at the side of the driveway looking out over the park while I was cleaning up one of my .50 cal blackpowder rifles. Its scoped and looks pretty ...big.  So along comes a couple of prim appearing seeties about 65 years old for a sunny stroll and of course they catch sight of me cleaning said rifle. One of them , very pointedly, asks me what I was doing and I told her I was helping to keep riff-raff out of my part of the park. I asked her if she wanted to take a shot. Ha....no humor in that old bag. I was still sitting there with the rifle tore down when the badges arrived. They too were humor-less, but then our local dicks are all having John Wayne syndrome. They went away after they contacted the city attorney and was told that there is no law on our city books that prevented me from cleaning ANY firearm outside on my own property. They were less than impressed when I ran a couple caps off to dry the barrel.
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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #40 on: 09/26/12 11:50 UTC »
MAN Yawl are funny!!!  That topped-off lunch QUITE well!
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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #41 on: 09/26/12 12:23 UTC »
HAHA that made my day! both of you!

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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #42 on: 09/26/12 15:10 UTC »
Some day I'll tell ya'll about the two pigs. And then there's the Thanksgiving morning deer. Both of these took place in my yard/driveway and I live in a city of 100,000 +.
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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #43 on: 09/26/12 16:44 UTC »
Back tgo that mold. Did you spray the mold with mold release? Hot lead will fillyour molds a lot better if you first spray mold release and let it dry.

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Re: Jig Making
« Reply #44 on: 09/26/12 18:00 UTC »
Back tgo that mold. Did you spray the mold with mold release? Hot lead will fillyour molds a lot better if you first spray mold release and let it dry.
No, didn't know anything about that. Guess I'll order that too since I need some gate pliers. And here I was thinking this would be easier than pouring worms!  ???
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