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Offline Bassman2169

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #15 on: 03/29/13 07:44 UTC »
I definitely see the difference Crabby.  Usually mine are shinier with ccm.  The dipped head though, looks shinier than anything else on the one using ccm plastic.  Weird..... I wonder what made it dull.  Never had that problem so I have no advice.  Bet some fellers on here can give you some ideas though.  Joey

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #16 on: 03/29/13 08:33 UTC »
Maybe a wipe down of the mold will help I know salt will tend to cause a mold to loose some of its sheen try some worm oil in the cavities.

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #17 on: 03/29/13 10:58 UTC »
This happens in a 100 cc beaker. After first heating it just yellows. The temp stays at 310 while on the griddle. Not to hot and the other plastic is in the same container. It does not matter if the batches are big or little. But when I first got the plastic it did not do this.

Frank,

You are NOT crazy!!!  :D  :D I noted this with my second box of CCM. I cooked 8oz, dipped a few baits, went in for a drink and came back out to some pretty yellow-brown plastic. Temperature was actually cooling during this time and was perfectly clear after removal from the microwave. 340 was max temp I had.

I reported this immediately. Had the same issue repeat itself and had to move to a different product for dipping due to the issue.

Jim
« Last Edit: 03/29/13 11:08 UTC by ghostbaits »

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #18 on: 03/29/13 11:11 UTC »
PS  Color changed rapidly. Bet I wasn't in house for 2 minutes, plastic was still liquid.

I was able to repeat the experiment while watching the cup. Purplosely only heated to 320 on one round and then with another cup 350. Temperature didn't matter. Near 2 minutes or so, the plastic yellowed evey time.

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #19 on: 03/29/13 11:50 UTC »
I definitely see the difference Crabby.  Usually mine are shinier with ccm.  The dipped head though, looks shinier than anything else on the one using ccm plastic.  Weird..... I wonder what made it dull.  Never had that problem so I have no advice.  Bet some fellers on here can give you some ideas though.  Joey
I used some leftover clear plastic to dip the heads on these which is why it is so shiny over the rest of the lure.  Not a huge deal though.  Maybe I do have to wipe out the molds.  Thanks guys! 

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #20 on: 03/31/13 10:08 UTC »

 I too have had trouble with the plastic yellowing at a very fast rate. The first time I used it to dip the heads , past the eyes on my swimbaits, I thought  I had found the plastic that I was looking for. The plastic I have been  using before I bought the CCM was very cloudy, made the eyes on my baits look terrible. But with the CCM turning yellow soo, fast I will have to keep looking for a plastic that will stay clear.
 I  did not over heat the plastic, and I did rotate the box.

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #21 on: 03/31/13 10:32 UTC »
Frank
Are you saying that when you first started you had no problems but are now having issues with the same plastic out of the same container? Maybe there has been some type of settling or separation happening?
That is exactly what I am saying. Not at first but now it does. Jim glad to hear I am not crazy but I can't use the plastic for dipping either. Have a whole bunch of it on the table that I am going to mix in with a dark color. Did talk to another company about this and he just laughed and said it not that easy to make plastic and some people just have to learn. Would not tell me why it happens but said they too had to learn the hard way. When this product came out it was great but as time goes on it does not seam so great. Frank

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« Reply #22 on: 03/31/13 11:07 UTC »
And I thought it was just me rushing things.

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #23 on: 03/31/13 17:28 UTC »
That is exactly what I am saying. Not at first but now it does. Jim glad to hear I am not crazy but I can't use the plastic for dipping either. Have a whole bunch of it on the table that I am going to mix in with a dark color. Did talk to another company about this and he just laughed and said it not that easy to make plastic and some people just have to learn. Would not tell me why it happens but said they too had to learn the hard way. When this product came out it was great but as time goes on it does not seam so great. Frank
You are not alone i have stopped buying ccm plastic for the moment for this very reason. Over December January i bought quite a few 5 gallon lots and have noticed a significant change in the plastic. It dosnt last in my pots for any length of time, i have found it to yelllow and lose the "vibrant" colour very quickly even with (and without) excess stabilizer at all temperature ranges.
I have layed off CCM plastic in the hope that it was only a bad batch and not a change in the recipe as i need the CLEAR plastic for alot of my glass recipes.
Would like to hear from Jerry on this one as it was a fantastic product and i would like to know if anything has changed.
 

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #24 on: 03/31/13 17:46 UTC »
I got a pint and tried it...same here. 

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #25 on: 03/31/13 17:50 UTC »
I saw a change in CC stabilizer around the time mentioned...it was clear, the last I received was an amber color. Caught some flak from a couple guys on forum but had couple others pm me (they didn't want to go public...hmmm?)  and say they had same problem. Not sure if that's a big issue, probably is with lighter colors.

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #26 on: 03/31/13 18:32 UTC »
In defense of Do-It, they dont know there is an issue unless you tell them and give specifics. They may need a sample as well.

I would get with customer service via email and have details such as cook temps, additives, etc. I do not use stabilizer but there is a chance it is the stabilizer or other additive and not the plastic.

Jim

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #27 on: 03/31/13 20:28 UTC »
Folks,

First off, thanks to everyone for your participation on this forum and for all of you that do business with us. 

I’d  like to take to opportunity to address a few items.

First, we have not changed any formulations of any of the plastisol, additives or colorants.  It is our belief that Jason developed the finest raw materials on the market.  We have no interest in modifying the quality or cost of any of the products that have been offered in the past. We stand by these products and our desire is to only expand on these top shelf items.

We are selling more and more Crystal Clear Plastisol by the week and continue to get great reviews.  I think that speaks for itself.  Is it possible that there can be an issue with any of these offerings?  Absolutely.  That is why we test every drum and lot number before it becomes available to the public.  Not only do we test it, but we also are shooting every single mold that is manufactured with the same raw goods.  We have the utmost confidence in what we sell, but  it is still possible for product to get shipped out of our warehouse that does not meet the quality that we expect. 

Another thing to understand is that all end users are not shooting softs baits in a laboratory.  The same product can respond differently in different environments. Everyone’s personal shop set up and production processes vary and different room temperature and humidity can have an impact on what the end user is trying to do.  Understanding each specific situation is beneficial in coming up with a solution to any issues that may be experienced. 

Most importantly, if you are experiencing any issues we want to here from you.  We want you to be satisfied with your purchase.  One thing that would be a slight change from Jason B’s ownership is that we would like to work through these issue over the phone or via email.  We will always answer the phone between 8:00 am and 4:30pm central time Monday - Friday.  If that does not work for your schedule, we are happy to respond via email.

The last thing I would like to address is the overall forum decorum.  Even though I do not spend as much time on here as many of you, I do recognize a bit more friction as of late.  I believe this is best place on the web to learn about making your own baits.   It is our hope that it continues to be a positive place and only continues to grow and increase in enjoyment and value for everyone.  One thing that I want to make clear is that if you have an issue with our product or service, that you address us directly.  That is the quickest way to get to a resolution.  It seems that we are getting more comments directed to us by people behind screen names and when we try to reach out to them,  they just disappear. 

If you have any issues regarding our current offerings, new product development, customer service, possible patent infringements or anything else, please reach out to me.  My phone number is 319-984-6055 and my personal email address mcbride at do-it molds.com.  Along with Jerry, Jason H and Jason B, we have a whole host of people to work with you.

Best,

Ryan

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Re: CCM Plastic
« Reply #28 on: 03/31/13 20:43 UTC »
Something to consider is the way you clean your glassware or containers. Jet dry and similar products coat your glass and can cause reactions.

Just another thing to consider...

Jim

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« Reply #29 on: 03/31/13 21:49 UTC »
PVC is what yellows. Stabilizer prevents the chloride from attaching to the vinyl and causing it to yellow. 

I would review the below post and call Jerry with the details.

http://www.caneycreekmolds.net/index.php?topic=2518.msg16685#msg16685