CCM Plastic

[Frank]

I know the post was not directed to me but take some offense to it. Like I said in my first post I took the devils approach, maybe a pm or a call would have been better but I did not make that choice. I do not hide behind a fake name and a lot of people have a phone number for me if not there is an email.  I don't post false information and give my honest opinion. If I visit a forum that just boasts about how great things are I don't believe it. Every company has an issue once in awhile and I truly believe it is all in how you handle it. My plastic was bought when Jason was in control. So getting back to Do-it was not the right thing to do. Just like the bluegill molds. Did not mean to offend anyone. Frank

[BareKnuckleJigs]

I'll have to "echo" Frank here.  Although me "spouting off" as I did (then wiped the post) wasn't called for, I wasn't hiding behind my ScreenName, I put the issue out there.  I haven't replied in a manner that I probably should because there is no "fixing" the issue, on my end...but it is an issue that (I think) should be investigated/addressed, for the well-being of the company.

Maybe my issues really are my own, not the plastic's...if so, it should be "out in the open" that one's system for cooking has to be perfect.  I mean, all we're doing is cooking this 3-component chemical...we're not putting a man on Mars.  Maybe someone needs to invent a plastic that resists yellowing, and is easily cooked properly (so it doesn't turn cloudy months down the road).  I've spoken to some good folks that...sometimes...use a thermometer, and have NO issues like I've had......

[ghostbaits]

I didn't mean to offend or squash the thread either. This is a forum for discussion and can be helpful if folks are having issues. I just meant that there shouldn't be a "pilling on" effect when someone posts something up that may need addressing. If you have issues, address them to customer service and post up specific details of your findings. Pictures help....

This is a public forum and such should be able to be used for comments that are within the guidelines established by the forum. If they don't violate those guidelines, you should be able to express, vent, etc. without issue.

Even though many cook different and our set ups are different, BKJ said it right, this ain't rocket science. (Missed your previous post BKJ).... I am a clinical laboratory scientist by trade and respect the "lab" environment however I have used every available plastisol out there and conditions do not have to be perfect to get results.

Get details to Do-It and if it doesn't violate the forum agreement, post details here. Times, cook temps, glassware or cooking container, how you clean, (humidity should not be issue according to CCM as the containers do not allow for it), what you add (and did you cook without adding anything) and how you cook. Might be common denominator..

Jim

[Buffy]

In my opinion I think if a product has issues and problems it should be discussed on the forum.  I also believe that it can be first addressed to the company.  This forum is for us to DISCUSS problems and learn. POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.  I enjoy the forum and have learned a great deal on here. 

[floridagrimp]

amen to all of that!!

[floridagrimp]

I use calhouns medium, buy it in drums, b/c of cost it meets a need. not the best, but does the job.

I have bought CC's med. a time or two in big boxes when Jason owned company. I can say, at least then it was so much better than what I use now it's not funny. The look, feel, smell, everything about CC's product is far superior. If Do-It hasn't changed formula (and they say they haven't), perhaps what happened to several people was a one batch mishap...and I'm sure it happened.

[andrewlamberson]

How old is the plastic that the people are having issues with??
Did you buy it after the merger?


I have CCM plastic from both before and after the merger ...and I don't seem to be having the same issues, but I microwave mine in small/medium size batches and use a good digital thermometer  to make sure I control the temperature.

Are you mixing the plastic? There is no doubt that plastic that has settled could cause some of the issues that have been discussed.

The other obvious question is are you confident that you are getting the plastic to 350 degrees...or more? Otherwise ...it will get cloudy....and sticky.

Are you adding "non tested" additives...such as a home made scent brew? Adding a mystery chemical is bound to cause some issues!

It doesn't really surprise me that any plastic could start to burn if you have it on a stove/pot that doesn't have really good heat controls...or unless you are moving plastic through it fairly quickly. You are bound to start using up the heat stabilizer and those Presto pots are not exactly the bastion of Made in China quality!

I use a microwave and I always start adding heat stabilizer after the 2nd reheat. When I use my cast iron pots on a burner I always add a good shot of heat stabilizer as it sits.

And my 2 cents on this whole issue on if it should be even posted is....if you have a customer service issue...call customer service! I don't think this public forum on "how to" is the place to manage a customer service issue (if there is one).

[Lamar]

  I think CCM's plastic is awesome. Like Andrew I just make small batches. I do not own a thermometer. I do heat it in a microwave and watch for it to turn liquid. I make only for myself and I never try to get to fancy. All that being said I have not had any issues with it. In fact I have soooooo many plastic baits from this past winter that I'm sure I can fish all summer now without making any more.

[BareKnuckleJigs]

Lamar, You don't use a thermometer...have any of Your baits or scraps turned cloudy?

[Lamar]

   I won't say it never happens. Sometimes I run the microwave to long and that will burn it. I almost always use heat stabilizer and I think that helps. I've never had any turn cloudy after they have set up. I do have a twin injector that I will mix and match a few colors but as a general rule I stick to solid colors and not so much clear ones. I'm a true believer that fancy catches more fisherman then fish. But I do understand that some on here make lures to sell and are pushing out large amounts of plastic. What I'm saying is for me this is an awesome product and works very well.

[bcsteely]

I had issues with CCM turning cloudy a couple months down the road as well as the baits would have a bad smell but have seemed to have gotten past that by ensuring my plastic is cooked to a minimum of 350.  I do use stabilizer and cook a cup at a time using a microwave.

[Frank]

How old is the plastic that the people are having issues with??
Did you buy it after the merger?


I have CCM plastic from both before and after the merger ...and I don't seem to be having the same issues, but I microwave mine in small/medium size batches and use a good digital thermometer  to make sure I control the temperature.

Are you mixing the plastic? There is no doubt that plastic that has settled could cause some of the issues that have been discussed.

The other obvious question is are you confident that you are getting the plastic to 350 degrees...or more? Otherwise ...it will get cloudy....and sticky.

Are you adding "non tested" additives...such as a home made scent brew? Adding a mystery chemical is bound to cause some issues!

It doesn't really surprise me that any plastic could start to burn if you have it on a stove/pot that doesn't have really good heat controls...or unless you are moving plastic through it fairly quickly. You are bound to start using up the heat stabilizer and those Presto pots are not exactly the bastion of Made in China quality!

I use a microwave and I always start adding heat stabilizer after the 2nd reheat. When I use my cast iron pots on a burner I always add a good shot of heat stabilizer as it sits.

And my 2 cents on this whole issue on if it should be even posted is....if you have a customer service issue...call customer service! I don't think this public forum on "how to" is the place to manage a customer service issue (if there is one).

Let me say it in an easy to read way.
I heat it up and it turns yellow as it cools. I don't own a digital thermometer because I don't believe it make a difference if it happens when it cools. My infrared one works just fine even if you don't think it does. To each his own. Like I said I bought it before the buy out. So calling customer service is not a good idea as they did not sell it to me. Should age matter? If you want to over look this issue then please do so. I am just glad I am not the only one this happened to. I bought it to dip baits after eyes were put on but can't now unless my swim baits are yellow.

[Carolinafalls]

I am also seeing the same thing on the last batch I received 2 weeks ago. I have not changed anything. And I use a $250.00 Exergen precision infa-red thermometer. I was doing some white and after the first reheat it yellowed.

[ghostbaits]

Make no mistake, this is a plastic issue. It is not a heating or anything else issue. Something with the plastic.

I did a test when this happened to me last year. Heat 2 cups of plastic in the microwave, CCM and other brand until ready. Leave set for 2 minutes. CCM turns golden yellow, other brand white... Nothing added to cup, no stabilizer, no scent. I cleaned glassware, rinsed and dried.

Repeated test with other box I had, same result. CCM yellowed in 2-3 minutes of just setting, other brand stayed white....

I alerted customer service immediately. At that time, I guess I was the only one having the issue.

I respectfully disagree that this should not be posted as this is a public forum and posting issues is not against the rules. Many times others will have the same issue and just think it is normal or they are doing something wrong to cause the issue. Bringing the issue out can only help to resolve it. I do think contacting customer service is important too.

Jim

[Do-It Corp.]

Let me take one more opportunity to be clear.

I believe feedback is a gift.  We appreciate hearing from you and take all information very seriously.  Also, I agree that is a wonderful place to come and work through issues.  This is such a great resource with so many people willing to lend a hand with their knowledge and experience.  That is what this place is all about.

Now, specifically to our Crystal Clear Plastisol:

Do you know how many customers have called us or emailed us about their plastisol yellowing?  ZERO

We have been proactive and reached out to some members on this forum, which have indicated they were experiencing this issue, to see if we could learn more and help rectify the situation.  Do you know how many have replied?  ZERO

Literally, 1000’s of gallons of our plastisol have been shipped to customers all over the world.  We believe it is the best on the market and stand behind it 100%.  If anyone ever experiences any issues with any of our products, we want to hear from you.  I do not care when you bought it, we stand behind it.

In regards to this forum, you all do a great job in monitoring each other.  I am not here to control the message, but I cannot sit back and watch a few people suggest that we have changed formulas or have some systemic issue.  This is not the case.   All that I ask, is that if you are experiencing something out of the norm, that you give us an opportunity to address and rectify the problem.

Ryan