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Offline t-billy

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Vinyl vs powder?
« on: 06/02/13 16:18 UTC »
How does vinyl lure paint compare to powder paint, durability wise? ---Tim.
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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #1 on: 06/02/13 16:38 UTC »
Vinyl is the more durable of the two but powder has it's advantages in ease of use.  With vinyl you have essentially a three part process.  A coat of white for a primer, your intended color coat and finally a clear coat to complete and help protect.  It smells and isn't easy to clean up unless you have plenty of thinner.

Powder is easy... heat the jig, swish through powder and hang to cool.  Cure batches of jigs in an oven to complete the curing/hardening process.  No smell as compared to vinyl and relatively painless.

If you're looking for the most durable finish do vinyl... if you're looking for a durable finish that's easy to make happen quickly then powder paint is your game.  They are both very good products and each have their advantages.  Personally I use vinyl on almost everything I do these days but I'm only painting MY jigs.  I'm not processing hundreds or thousands at a time.

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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #2 on: 06/02/13 16:50 UTC »
VYNIL First and foremost lets talk safety. Is it safe NO .   1. You need to wear a respirator if you are doing any kind of production . The odd hand full of jigs fine .  2. Wear rubber gloves to handle it . 3 It is even wise to wear some kind of coveralls That resist chemical penetration . 3 . Extreme ventilation is a must  unless you like headaches and being goofier than a pig on corn squeezings .

Now as far as its durability the stuff is tough as it comes even tougher than powder with an epoxy coat . Try this dip a jig head , say 1/8 oz . Let it dry over night room temp . Then take a 4lb mall and smack that head flat . Bet a cup of coffee the paint does not come off . You can even go ahead and paint another color on your flat head . And the white paint is just the primer . Try that with powder the result will not be as pleasing even if you put epoxy over the powder . Also you can put other paints over vinyl but you can't put vinyl over Say automotive paint .

I have extensive experience with vinyl and powder. Powder is good enough for most metals without having a MSDS report that would scare heck out of Superman .  I use a lot of vinyl but only on lures for fish that have teeth of fishing ocean reefs . Just my 2 cents worth on the subject . If you use the vinyl and need help just yell .

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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #3 on: 06/02/13 22:42 UTC »
 Thanks for the info guys. I much appreciate it. I think I'll order some vinyl later this week. My bait making bench is well ventilated, so that's not an issue. I'm just making them for myself, so I might as well make the best I can. I'll give you a holler if I run into any major snags with the vinyl Toadfrog. Thank you. --- Tim.
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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #4 on: 06/02/13 23:03 UTC »
One last thing you must epoxy coat if you use them with plastics and ABSOLUTELY don't let them touch each other until they have dried at least 24 hrs. If you do they will grow together and I don't mean stick . They bond just like skin .

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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #5 on: 06/03/13 08:34 UTC »
I use both. Sometimes I use both on the same head. Many of my head colors start as powder, but have glitter and perhaps some hi lite added to the base color. After doing the powder coat, I will dip some of the colors in clear or transparent vinyl colors of roughly the same color, then they get the oven at 190 degrees for a couple hours. The result is one tough head color. The top vinyl coat over the powder paint brings out a whole new world of color depth. Some of the colors I have shown here.

I don't make claims about smashing the heads with a mall since I think that any finish undter those conditions will crack....the lead will compress way too much for it not to. Just my opinion here. The vinyl tends to be more flexible though even after it has dried thoroughly. The powder tends to be more brittle, especially after heat curing. Again, my opinion.

Another thought here is that any head finish's durability will depend a lot on how the heads are kept ready for fishing.  My walleye heads go into a plano box where each compartment has a foam bottom and a foam top piece. My small heads used for panfish and crappies go into pocket boxes designed to hold individual ice baits and these boxes also get a foam divider added to separate the two sides when closed. Heads get far more wear put on them rattling around loose in tackle-box trays than they do in the water. If you're going to put a finish on your jigs, take time to keep them protected until you're ready to use them. And as always, just my .02.
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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #6 on: 06/03/13 09:04 UTC »
 Hi Tom. Thanks for your .02. Will the vinyl react with silicone or living rubber jig skirts, or only with soft plastic baits? If it doesn't react with the skirt material, I'm thinking I can eliminate the epoxy top coat by leaving the shank unpainted.---Tim.
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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #7 on: 06/04/13 04:30 UTC »
I wish I could answer that Tim. I don't fish any kind of skirt material, just plastics. For what its worth, I have only had a problem with the vinyl paint being bothered by plastics years back and then only if I stored the heads and plastic together for a long time by accident. I haven't had a current plastic attack the vinyl paint, period, when the plastic is removed from the head at the end of the fishing day. I seldom carry rods with plastics yet on hooks unless I am actively fishing. 
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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #8 on: 06/25/13 11:44 UTC »
 Well... I still haven't tried the vinyl and probably won't anytime soon. I picked up 2lbs of polyester powder paint from a seller on ebay for less than $20 per pound. 1lb black and 1lb frogskin green. That's enough to last me many many years. The green looks like green pumpkin with weee little black and gold flake. Very nice looking paint. This stuff is tuff as nails. After dragging a 1/2 oz green jig around through rock and tumbling it down ledges for about 12hrs there's not a single chip. The bottom side is just a little dull and scratched.
  I couldn't be happier with this paint. The instructions say to cure at 400 for 10 min, but it dripped at this temp, so I tried 300 for 10 min. It still dripped a little, but not nearly as bad as 400. 275 for 30 min works great. I got a rock hard finish with no dripping. I'll be stickin with this stuff. Thanks for your input everyone. ---Tim.
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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #9 on: 06/25/13 15:17 UTC »
Leave em lead color. Fish dont care. At least bass wont anyway  :)

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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #10 on: 06/25/13 16:10 UTC »
Leave 'em lead colored? You gotta be kidding!

 I just spent 2 hours making a tri-laminate Wult-it with blood lines, highlights and UV coating....and I'm going to stick that thing on a lead colored jig head?

I have to figure out how to get my Snootie jig head to powder paint in those three colors ...and then use vinyl paint to draw in some blood lines. That will take at least another 2 hours.

I sure wish I had some time to actually go fishing! Not that I would use it anyway...because sure as heck I'll either cast the darn thing into a snag or a darn Northern Pike will hit it and bite me off on the first cast!

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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #11 on: 06/25/13 17:01 UTC »
^ that's funny^ I like it when my buddies say, man I bet that the fish will eat that up! I just look at em and frown heck I don't fish with that! It's took way to long to make lol

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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #12 on: 06/25/13 17:16 UTC »
Interesting thread I never used vinyl always thought powder was tougher learn something new every day!

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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #13 on: 06/25/13 17:24 UTC »
I'm pretty sure that leaving them lead color is sacrilegious.  Give me a couple minutes.  I'm going to look it up.
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Re: Vinyl vs powder?
« Reply #14 on: 06/25/13 19:06 UTC »
I just spent 2 hours making a tri-laminate Wult-it with blood lines, highlights and UV coating....

Pictures Dude!

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