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Offline WALLEYE WACKER

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Plano boxes
« on: 09/05/13 00:14 UTC »
Have had too many transparent  baits turn solid or milky looking. Well only store Do-It plastic bags from here on out. Had baits I made in June turn 3.5" swim shad and 3"CCM glider turned and the 4"st grub 4" Flippin Zip didn't. All baits where poured at the same time and same batch and temp. Watermelon with red flake. And it isn't caused by the box getting warm because they have been in the basement from the time I got back from Canada in June until now.  mike 
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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #1 on: 09/05/13 06:13 UTC »
It's not the Plano boxes..I don't think you cooked the plastic to the needed temp..or a bad batch of plastic. I believe Jerry said you could contact them if you think it's the plastic itself.

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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #2 on: 09/05/13 08:45 UTC »
Kipbass Temp checked by digital all shot at the same time temp of plastic was 355 and no reheat. mike 8)
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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #3 on: 09/05/13 12:12 UTC »
i agree with kip on the its not the box . i have baits from last year still that look like i just poured them . ive kept mine in plano boxes & bait coffins...are you sure you aint using too much heat stabilizer?
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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #4 on: 09/05/13 23:14 UTC »
I do not believe it is the boxes either. I keep big batches of lures in a plastic box I bought from the dollar store. If this thing keeps the lures fine, I am sure the Plano boxes work even better.

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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #5 on: 09/05/13 23:19 UTC »
 crabbybass DobynsTriton I don't think 10 drops in a 1.5 cups is too much or is it. I don't re heat because I have enough molds set up that can inject the whole 1.5  in one shot. Thanks mike 8)
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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #6 on: 09/05/13 23:28 UTC »
Only other tjing I can think of is that you're picking up moisture somewhere along the way after the baits are made.
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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #7 on: 09/05/13 23:49 UTC »
Thanks DobynsTriton mike
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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #8 on: 09/06/13 17:53 UTC »
The only other culprit for cloudy baits beyond it not being ALL cooked beyond 350, or picking up moisture as Dob said, is that the plastisol wasn't rotated often enough while in the box to disperse the PVC all the way.  When it settles, you can actually suck out all the PVC from the box to the point where the leftover will not go through all the phases properly. 

Hope that is helpful.

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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #9 on: 09/06/13 23:34 UTC »
superharmonix I mix colorant an plastic  every day if I pour or not and mix it when I do pour The cost of material is enough too warrant utmost care for materials used for the highest quality baits too be made. Thanks mike 8)
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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #10 on: 09/07/13 07:48 UTC »
Something that may be an issue with cooking completely and just a thought here: microwaves can have cold spots, even in those which move the bowl or cup while operating. Anyone looking in my microwave will see my little folded paper towel pad that the cup sits on while cooking is off-set. My unit moves items in a circular fashion but I had to take time to find this cold spot in mine because I got really variable temperatures, even cooking on high, when items were set in the center of the unit. One inch off-center is where the full heat is found in mine.

If you are going to look for a cold spot, use plain old vegetable oil. I used a cheap brand of cooking oil and poured it right back in the bottle when I was done and chucked in the trash....as a safe-guard against picking up some baddy in a unit used for heating this plastic. When you do this, use cups of at least one cup of volume and allow each cup and oil to cool completely before heating again. I cut a piece of paper to fit the inside of the lip on the glass tray and drew a circle at one and two inches and made an X every 45 degrees. I used several cups, but only one was heated at a time and its oil was poured into a chilled cast iron pan to help cool quickly to room temp. Remember that you have to read the temp of the cooled oil just like you do the heated oil....the oil has to start out the same temp each time to be accurate. I did a test cup to determine the time it took to heat the oil to 350 degrees assuming that the center of the glass was the hottest. I numbered each X and the center. Using the predetermined time I heated a cup at each numbered X, removed and stirred and read the temp using a digital thermometer and recorded the temp on a note pad.
In my stove the most consistent heat comes one inch off-center on the revolving glass. It doesn't matter which X it was but it mattered that the cup has to be the one inch off center.

With the many variations in heating methods and the separation needed between commercial and home hobbyist type of heating, sometime little things can make a huge difference. Not meaning any disrespect for the commercial elements here, heating and handling very large amounts of plastic and how it is done on a large scale perhaps will not pertain to those mixing and cooking, say, a cup at a time or even less. Small batches are very critical of heat. Small batches also need to be stirred more than one time through the initial cooking time to assure thorough cooking.

As for too much stabilizer.....I use maybe thirty drops in a 4 ounce batch of clear with glitter or any other very light transparent color where scorching can be an issue and each time I slip these colors back into the oven to re-heat -re- melt they get another dose of stabilizer. I have never had stabilizer cloud a bait.
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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #11 on: 09/07/13 18:51 UTC »
Tom You my have hit the nail on the head. That is one thing I hadn't thought of. I will try this and let you know. Thank you mike 8)
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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #12 on: 09/08/13 19:37 UTC »
At risk of beating the temp thing to death, I just want to add one more thing. (And Walleye Wacker I am not saying you aren't already doing this)
Nevertheless- for the new folks, when you use a digital thermometer, be sure to stick it in the plastic and stir all around before checking the temp after the gauge stabilizes. Along with Tom's awesome detailed temp tests and tips about hot spots, sometimes you can get a quick reading that is not accurate for the bulk o the plastisol- hence leading to temp A.D.D. on the probe. That can be another temp culprit.

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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #13 on: 09/08/13 23:02 UTC »
superharmonix When I check temp with digital I move it around in the cup. You can tell right away if your at temp or not with my digital because off the speed of the temp gauge. By that I mean the temp will climb at a steady pace if your at temp if your not you will see the speed of temp climb  rate slow and fall short off 350 And have to give it another ride in microwave.When I start out with 1.5 cups the first round is on high it takes 1.5 min. before it gets like honey then I go to 50% power until It gets like water making sure mix on all steps until that point were I check the temp. I have done it this why and haven't had a problem until now. All colors for Canada trip are ok  but watermelon w /red  and only two out of four baits in this color are bad 4"st grub 4"flippin zip are ok  3" glider and 3.5 swim shad are bad. I did six different colors for the trip of these four baits only had trouble with this color so far.
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Re: Plano boxes
« Reply #14 on: 09/10/13 21:17 UTC »
Do the baits have salt in them?