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Offline Wallyc14

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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #15 on: 01/18/14 12:30 UTC »
imho i have allways had good lucky with greenpumpkin and smoke or smoke with hologold and black flake

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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #16 on: 01/18/14 12:58 UTC »
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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #17 on: 01/18/14 14:36 UTC »
thank you ;D

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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #18 on: 01/19/14 20:29 UTC »
I fish NEPA for river smallmouth. I use a 5" GYCB single tail grub knockoff moldalmost exclusively for smallmouth and walleye kill it in the winter. My favorites are green pumpkin brown with the micro moss green glitter and a little black flake and i doctor the tail with a chartreuse zoom marker, light green pumpkin green or smoke with blue and moss green flake also tail doctored with marker, and a straight up chartreuse grub with black flake when the water is dirty...but by then in warm water I might be throwing a chartreuse spinnerbait.

Did I mention accenting with chartreuse...man, they hate chartreuse...gives me nightmares....

Im going to go against the grain here and say that I have never had nearly as much luck with watermelon red in this part of the country as I have with green pumpkin, green pumkin w/ green and blue variants, and various smoke concoctions.
« Last Edit: 01/19/14 20:31 UTC by chase102798 »

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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #19 on: 01/19/14 20:47 UTC »
We trie a little bit of chartreuse with black flake lizards last year and did alright. I will give the green pumpkin with green and blue a try


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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #20 on: 01/19/14 21:03 UTC »
The straight chartreuse really only works well in cloudy water. In clear water I just accent the tail a little for a bit of flash when that grub tail flutters. If you aren't fishing with at least one rod with grubs tied on then you aren't really smallmouth river fishing...IMHO. I used to fish tubes for years but grubs are just more versatile. You can drag them, dead stick them, jig them, or swim them. I use them 90% of the time in my favorite mentioned colors.

I will be honest, those colors are fairly negotiable most of the time. Sometimes I just melt up some old plastic that is kind of close and go to work. I feel like most of the time the presentation of the bait and location are so much more important. I used to obsess over color nuances, but have in recent years spent that obsessing time learning more about smallmouth behavior and how that relates to my local waters.

I used to carry dozens of colors of each bait. Now I limit myself to three shade. Blacks/smokes, medium greens/browns, and whites/brights. If I can't catch them with one example from each of those categories, then color wasn't the problem that day. Sometimes guys think if they could have just found the subtle shade difference that was hot that day then they would have slammed them. If you aren't catching them with three shade examples, then you need to evaluate the rest of the fishing equation. 
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Smallmouth colors
« Reply #21 on: 01/19/14 21:13 UTC »
Thanks chase. This year is going to be a huge experience trip. I know how to catch them where I am at, and a lot of them. But I want to try the new things, things other people around me haven't and improve on them. Adding in to account phases and conditions to it. My hope is to keep an extensive record on it throughout the whole summer and write something up for everyone on the forum. Some things may be useless but it's worth a shot. I appreciate the tips with the grubs, as I don't use them... Ever! They will be put to use this year though, do not doubt that :)


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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #22 on: 01/20/14 13:16 UTC »
The straight chartreuse really only works well in cloudy water. In clear water I just accent the tail a little for a bit of flash when that grub tail flutters. If you aren't fishing with at least one rod with grubs tied on then you aren't really smallmouth river fishing...IMHO. I used to fish tubes for years but grubs are just more versatile. You can drag them, dead stick them, jig them, or swim them. I use them 90% of the time in my favorite mentioned colors.

I will be honest, those colors are fairly negotiable most of the time. Sometimes I just melt up some old plastic that is kind of close and go to work. I feel like most of the time the presentation of the bait and location are so much more important. I used to obsess over color nuances, but have in recent years spent that obsessing time learning more about smallmouth behavior and how that relates to my local waters.

I used to carry dozens of colors of each bait. Now I limit myself to three shade. Blacks/smokes, medium greens/browns, and whites/brights. If I can't catch them with one example from each of those categories, then color wasn't the problem that day. Sometimes guys think if they could have just found the subtle shade difference that was hot that day then they would have slammed them. If you aren't catching them with three shade examples, then you need to evaluate the rest of the fishing equation.

In general, I agree with you - we often overthink what we need to catch fish - I still carry a good selection of colors - here's why.

My wife and I fish ALOT of grubs - its our 'go to' bait - for along time, we kept losing 'tails' - we'd get the nibble, react, and pull back a tail-less grub.

We blamed it on 'little monsters' every time - you know - tail biters, smaller fish - gills and the like.

One day - we switched colors - blue -> brown, etc - we started catching decent fish - same area, same everything else - just a color change.

Lesson learned -

If you're getting bites, but not hooking up - the fish like everything about what you are doing EXCEPT the color - and a relatively minor change can help the fish commit.

Similarly - I've had days where "smoke purple" would not produce - but "smoke purple red" would - again - everything else being equal.


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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #23 on: 01/21/14 13:24 UTC »

watermelon red
watermelon red
watermelon red

did I mention watermelon red?

also -
smoke purple
pearl blue
cinnamon green
watermelon red
hows this for watermelon red? Made a few dozen today


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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #24 on: 01/21/14 13:31 UTC »
Looks spot on.

To that color I add 1 (or 2) drops of X2 cinnamon for a watermelon/brn with red and black flake.
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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #25 on: 01/21/14 13:40 UTC »
Mine is 6 drops of bears watermelon with black and red .04 flake and some fire red 0.008 to give it that extra little pop in the sun. Hard to see in the picture though


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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #26 on: 01/21/14 14:12 UTC »
Thats a good watermelon red - I prefer X2 Watermelon Brown as my base - but that'll get their attention for sure.

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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #27 on: 01/21/14 14:22 UTC »
The reason I did it more of a green is because when I fish the lizards, they start out dark and they catch fish. But after they get tore up and the color fades is when they really work wonders. Could be a confidence thing, could actually be true but who knows! I will try both soon


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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #28 on: 01/21/14 14:58 UTC »
This is my most asked for smallmouth pattern.



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Re: Smallmouth colors
« Reply #29 on: 01/21/14 15:41 UTC »
Drew....those are sick. Absolute masterpieces.

Jmath....I can just see some gold or green hi lite in that watermelon plastic. I can close my eyes and just imagine what red hi lite would do. I'd give it a big lump. Then I'd omit the small red and bump up the amount of the .040 red and toss in a pile of .015 copper. That red hilite would have even Andy getting nervous....without any brown.
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