Grass Jig Mold

[flippinskirts]

I would like to see Do-it produce a bass fishing grass jig type mold for flipping or punching in heavy vegetation.  Preferably in 1/2, 3/4 and 1oz cavities that takes a heavy wire 30 degree hook like a Mustad 32886BLN, a somewhat flattened bullet shaped head with a recessed hook eye. Similar jigs would be a Dirty Jigs Tour Level No-Jack Punchin' Jig, Outkast RTX Jig and a Strike King Greg Hackney Hack Attack Jig.  These jigs are becoming more popular and Tackle Warehouse has recently added a Grass Jig subcategory in Jigs to accommodate this.

Thanks 

[21xdc]

I don't see much need different than these...

http://store.do-itmolds.com/Weedless-Casting-Jig-Molds_c_53.html

http://store.do-itmolds.com/Weedless-Bullet-Bass-Jig-Molds_c_52.html

http://store.do-itmolds.com/Weedless-Poison-Tail-Jig-Molds_c_56.html

[ctom]

Welcome to the Do-It forums Flippin!

[andrewlamberson]

Flippin'..Welcome to the Forum.

I'm with you on this one...I'd like to see something like that in 3/4 to 1.5 ounces. The Do-it Brush jig (which I use for flipping and punching isn't quite heavy enough sometimes. I bought some of those really heavy jigs late last summer and was just getting good at it when the river turned cold. I was amazed on how much better I was doing with those super heavy jigs!

I was also amazed that a 14" bass would eat a 1.25 oz jig with no problems!

Andy

[flippinskirts]

I don't see much need different than these...

http://store.do-itmolds.com/Weedless-Casting-Jig-Molds_c_53.html

http://store.do-itmolds.com/Weedless-Bullet-Bass-Jig-Molds_c_52.html

http://store.do-itmolds.com/Weedless-Poison-Tail-Jig-Molds_c_56.html

Thank you for the suggestions 21xdc but I already own the casting and poison tail jig molds and they do not fish the same as say an Outkast RTX jig.  The casting and bullet jigs have too much taper to the heads and are not as compact, although the casting makes an excellent finesse swim jig.  The Poison jig probably comes the closest but has eyes and takes a wide gap hook although I have modified these molds to take the Mustad 32886bln hook as many other people have as well.  Also of importance none of these has a recessed eye for fewer hang-ups similar to the brush jig mold but in a 30 degree hook.

[efishnc]

I bought some of those really heavy jigs late last summer and was just getting good at it when the river turned cold. I was amazed on how much better I was doing with those super heavy jigs!

I was also amazed that a 14" bass would eat a 1.25 oz jig with no problems!

Andy, I personally haven't seen punchable mats up here and I would like to see where you were using those boat anchors with barbs... to me 1/2oz is way too heavy for flippin, even in our heaviest local weeds (except maybe the West side of Lake Winona).  If you are willing to share a boat with a 'sconny, I'd love to see that application.

[flippinskirts]

Here in southern Minnesota not much of what I do with a heavy jig could really be considered "punching" honestly.  However I like at least a 3/4oz jig when I'm in heavy cover like thick pads, reeds or milfoil because it drops through thick weeds faster and I believe it better triggers a reaction bite. 

A bigger jig also fishes faster in this type of cover IMHO.

[Lamar]

Here in southern Minnesota not much of what I do with a heavy jig could really be considered "punching" honestly.  However I like at least a 3/4oz jig when I'm in heavy cover like thick pads, reeds or milfoil because it drops through thick weeds faster and I believe it better triggers a reaction bite. 

A bigger jig also fishes faster in this type of cover IMHO.

  I agree 100 percent. I make a 5/8 oz jig and fish areas with no weeds in less then a foot of water. You get the complete opposite of what you think. Your cast is way more accurate and you can lay it down in the water a lot more quite. It gives the bass less time to think about it and most of the time that will give you more strikes on bass that are in heavy cover. The only thing I have against it is it does seem to blow through the weed guard a bit easier so it hangs you up more often. But I think for what you gain it's a winner. So try it sometime. When your picking apart heavy cover for bass accuracy is more important then size or color.

[efishnc]

  I agree 100 percent. I make a 5/8 oz jig and fish areas with no weeds in less then a foot of water. You get the complete opposite of what you think. Your cast is way more accurate and you can lay it down in the water a lot more quite. It gives the bass less time to think about it and most of the time that will give you more strikes on bass that are in heavy cover. The only thing I have against it is it does seem to blow through the weed guard a bit easier so it hangs you up more often. But I think for what you gain it's a winner. So try it sometime. When your picking apart heavy cover for bass accuracy is more important then size or color.

Noted... I've learned a few "odds and ends" type stuff here on the forum, but the two things that I have found most interesting is this current view on heavy jigs and the other is the popular view of smaller (than I would have thought productive) shaky baits. 

Back in my tournament days I enjoyed the draw more if I got someone I didn't know, just to see things through an unfamiliar set of eyes.  It's a shame that people are far more guarded in their personal fishing world than in the (post) tournament world.

[kipbass]

When I get back on Toledo Bend, I'll take a pic of a heavy hydrilla mat. They come all the way to the surface and as deep as 18 to 20 feet. Bass hide just inside the mats and ambush passer byes(sp). Maybe later spring or possible summer if its died off.

[andrewlamberson]

We get some pretty dense weeds in the backwaters...but I've been doing something (call it what you wish) with heavy jigs through the dense Lilly Pad areas and I found the heavier jigs easier to pitch...and drop through the little holes in the Lily Pads and fall straight down. Kind of the opposite of using frogs!

I also like the heavier jigs when I'm pitching into wood along the banks because they are easier to pitch...and especially if there is any kind of current at all...they fall straight down instead of drifting and getting hung up.

[Lamar]

  I still tournament fish. I'm a flipper and my partner is a finesse fisherman. So we mix well. There is four things I've done to my game that has made me a better fisherman. One is to use a heavy jig and put the bait where it needs to be. Two if at all possible pitch on the bank and drag it in slowly. Three buy a set of power poles. Running the trolling motor spokes fish. And last learn to fish different angles. I can't tell you how many times I've hit a lay down and didn't catch a fish till I hit the same lay down from the other side. To many bass fishermen worry about the bait and the color. When the should worry more about putting the lure where the fish wants it and not spoke him while doing it.

[efishnc]

I always felt (and will still feel until I test and prove otherwise to myself) that a lighter jig drew more strikes... it will be hard for me to break this way of thinking for standard flipping/pitching, but I will give it a try this summer.

[Lamar]

I always felt (and will still feel until I test and prove otherwise to myself) that a lighter jig drew more strikes... it will be hard for me to break this way of thinking for standard flipping/pitching, but I will give it a try this summer.

 Here is what your missing. Gravity pulls at the same rate on both jigs. So both jigs fall at the same speed. You just need to adjust your thinking. The fish don't care. They'll eat it if you put it where they want it.

[efishnc]

Although the gravitational pull is the same on two jigs of different weights, the frictional coefficient of water is far different than air which makes the fall rate different for each jig... this is essentially a parallel demonstration of the hammer and feather on the moon.

To prove it to yourself, experiment with identical skirts and trailers on a 1/8oz and a 1oz Poison Tail (or any other jig with a notable weight mismatch); we cannot discern any real difference in speed as they fall through the air, but there is quite a noticeable difference as they fall through the water.

It will take a lot to replace the notion of "going with the lightest jig possible" that dear ol' Dad drilled into my noggin, however I do think there is something to be said for the reaction strike of a fast fall (and I will experiment with this come ice out).