Locally on the Mississippi River we see a lot of 4" ringworms used for fall, winter and spring walleye/sauger. We also see a huge market for paddletailed grubs in 2.5" and 3". The paddletails are NOT the flat, spade shaped tails but rather a tail much like that of a Culprit panfish paddletail or the Brewer Paddletail. The paddletail bodies are only 3/8" thick and round. I can send you some samples if you want to have a starting point and yes, I know you won't copy.