Laminates...

[Dave]

Thanks Denny, maybe we can take injections to a new level.  I am really liking this plate Jason's working on though.  I can see a worm split perfectly down one side-one color and the other side perfectly another color. 

[ghostbaits]

Lol!!!! There are molds available with this plate already and the results are superb. After getting into injection a couple years ago, the divider seemed like a no brainer to a newbie like me. nobody seemed to like it at that time.

I like to see newer guys come in as they see things these "old" eyes haven't seen or thought of!!! I like fresh ideas!!

Jim

[ghostbaits]

PS... With some molds, you can just turn one half of the mold around and the flat side or outside of the mold will be towards the cavity. I would have the sprue milled out properly if you haven't been shooting for a long time as you may have safety issues.

Shoot the mold and then turn that piece back around and shoot again..... Perfect laminate every time...

Jim

[Jason]

The first version was basically that, just flat.  It didn't take long to see it needed venting.  You could force it, but there was pretty good back pressure.  Once you added venting, having it lined up correctly became relevant, so an alignment pin was needed...  and so on.  Doing something like this could range from a piece of heavy foil -> to what we will ultimately release (basically half the mold minus the cavity).  If you're making baits for yourself it seems like a no brainier.  I'll be curious if any "production" guys use it.

There are some other tricky things we have in the hopper.  Just need to keep flushing out the bugs until there ready.

Jason

[ghostbaits]

I personally don't see using something like that in a production setting UNLESS the mold is multi-cavity (4-6 cavities) and has a single runner plate to accomadate the multi-cavities.

Honestly, the twinjector is so fast and simple to use that there will have to be radical differences for me to change in my production process as it is. Outside of production though, I would probably experiment a lot.

It is fun to think outside the box and come up with new ways to do things!!!

Jim

[pjmcla]

I agree with Jim; It is slower than the twinjector.  I like it because it is more relaxing to me than having to have two cups of plastic "ready" at the same instant and the added complexity of the blending block.  The secondary plate provides a "parting line Lamination" vs a volume lamination.  The laminate is almost always very crisp; which some like and some don't.   I also feel sure that anyone who does a lot of injecting Laminates and has "worked" with the twinjector is a lot better and more comfortable "twinjecting" than I am, especially at this time.  I am still working on getting the simple stuff down pat.   

[ghostbaits]

Honestly, the "oddball" mistakes always seem to produce over the perfect looking bait.

Guess it comes down to the bat either looking odd or weak. Either way, that is what I like about the twinjector system myself.

Jim

[kipbass]

I heat my molds on my gas grill..mmmm smells like steak! Anyway heat to 300-350. I hand poured some bellies and shot the body on some small fries. The two halves melded together fine and did not separate when I pulled at them. I'm going to post pics and recipe in the cookbook section.
http://www.caneycreekmolds.net/index.php?topic=900.0

[Dave]

Like I said earlier, all I am waiting on is the machine shop to get done with my project, then I'll produce some laminates! By the way Rick your baits look great! 

[Denny Welch]

That bottom picture was by far the best, Rick.  It made me hungry.

[Jason]

I heat my molds on my gas grill..mmmm smells like steak! Anyway heat to 300-350. I hand poured some bellies and shot the body on some small fries. The two halves melded together fine and did not separate when I pulled at them. I'm going to post pics and recipe in the cookbook section.
http://www.caneycreekmolds.net/index.php?topic=900.0

Gas grill... 

You should be okay just shooting it a couple times to knock the chill off and warm the mold some.  Maybe a heat gun or griddle if you don't want to make any solid baits first. 

The gas grill would scare me.  Besides being the most expensive, I would think it most likely to either tweak your mold, or cause a safety concern with the combo of open flame and plastic products.  I would also be concerned about any smoking of residual plastic ultimately ending up where I cook food.

Forgive me if I sound like a mother hen...

Jason

[Dave]

Jason, these plates your working on, I strongly believe they will be a very helpful tool to the people that make their own baits for their own purpose. I believe it will be economically suitable for people who can't afford 160.00 bucks for a twin injector system, but I would ultimately have to agree with Jim. For people who do this as a productive business, it's not suitable for productivity. But if I'm understanding your vision, this is about everyone not just the entrepreneurs or tournament fisherman or even the weekend adventures, it's about everyone.           

[ghostbaits]

Sorry if I came across from the productivity side Dave, just is always in my head when I make decisions!!!! I guarantee I will still be jumping in on something like these plates just so I can play with them.

Great thing I have seen so far in Jason and CCM are committed to customer care regardless of who you are or what you fish for.

Jim

[andrewlamberson]

I just bought a Twin Injector ....and am trying to learn how to use it! But... I'm in this game for the fun of making my own baits...and making them as good as I can...tough for those of us that are artistically challenged!

I am really spending a LOT of time "practicing" how to hand pour so I can attempt to imitate some of the baits I see on this site. But again...my hand eye coordination is not that of an artist!!

So...any "process" that can help me make a better bait (even one at a time) is very interesting to me.

[Dave]

  Well y'all have to admit, this is what will keep CCM at the top if our focuses are at a diverse group of people. Jim it's nothing to worry about brotha! We tend to look at the world we are currently in and forget to realize other worlds that exist. I'm for one that has this issue at times. Just like this topic of laminates. I've gotten lost in the mix of it. Feeding off of the enthusiasm and motivation of everyone and watching idea's generate from it bringing a different approach to laminating plastic baits.  Now with that said, some of you guys can create a work of art that grasp the breath of a person. I for one am really attracted to some of the laminates that have been displayed on this site, so keep up the awesome job guys.