Author Topic: Laminates... (Read 30204 times)

kipbass · « **Reply #15 on:** 12/15/11 06:10 UTC »

I just put a Sexy Swim Shad in the gallery / color cookbook. They're not quite Ghost or Micro quality, but they are super easy triple lams. I just poured the top and bottom by hand, then injected the middle.

http://www.caneycreekmolds.net/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=385

Jason

I'm gussing by the color of the tail it was part of the middle injection?

bribass · « **Reply #16 on:** 12/15/11 07:12 UTC »

Quote from: Jason on 12/14/11 16:42 UTC

I just put a Sexy Swim Shad in the gallery / color cookbook. They're not quite Ghost or Micro quality, but they are super easy triple lams. I just poured the top and bottom by hand, then injected the middle.

http://www.caneycreekmolds.net/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=385

Jason

Dave · « **Reply #17 on:** 12/15/11 07:34 UTC »

Every month for three months besides December I've ordered a mold from CCM. Now I've got a 10 inch, 7 inch and a 4.75 inch ribbon tail, so you can imagine what kinda injections a person can come up with with only three molds. I will post some in the gallery section so everyone can see them. This is something that I had never seen until I got the idea from watching Jason making the toads in one of his videos. To do it you must: Preheat your mold until WARM, not hot. Second, pour a color on one side of the mold then the other, third, allow time to set but not cool, finally, inject the mold with the last color. If you've let your plastic set to long to cool before injecting it, you will notice that the laminates will separate. If you inject it to soon, the plastic in the mold will gum up making your injection fail to reach the end.

Jason · « **Reply #18 on:** 12/15/11 08:40 UTC »

I can't wait to see some sweet worms. I bet they are awesome!

ghostbaits · « **Reply #19 on:** 12/15/11 09:08 UTC »

I was going to ask just what Dave talked about with his worms.

Pouring the top and bottom of the mold and then injecting the center will probably require you to heat your molds.

My question was, how many baits still have the "cold cracks" between the layers? Cold cracks are the lines you can see between the different colors. No big deal to the fish or if you are fishing the baits yourself but a big deal if you try to sell those baits.

If you are dipping over the portion of the bait you are pouring, then you will not see these cracks at all with the finished product. Worms, lizards, etc will be a different story.

Just curious as I normally just pour the belly or one-side of the bait before injecting and still can see some cold cracks sometimes. Those baits will not go out if they are for someone else but fish fine out of my boat!!! Add the other pouring in and the one side has plenty of time to cool.

How hot are you heating your mold and do you think you could make a decent amount of these reliably (like 50 baits)?

Thanks EXPERTS!!!!!!!!!

Jim

BareKnuckleJigs · « **Reply #20 on:** 12/15/11 10:18 UTC »

Ah-HA! Thank You, Dave and Jim! Preheat the mold. At's a roger. Time for the heat gun.

Jason · « **Reply #21 on:** 12/15/11 10:31 UTC »

Quote from: kipbass on 12/15/11 06:10 UTC

I'm gussing by the color of the tail it was part of the middle injection?

Yes. You could do a separate tail, but I just injected the middle of the bait.

Dave · « **Reply #22 on:** 12/15/11 11:14 UTC »

OK, here is an example of one of my personal laminates from a 4.75 ribbon tail.

Now Ghost to answer your question, if your molds are not at the right temp, the cold lines will be visible. If your molds are to hot they get ugly real quick when injecting them because your colors start to swirl together. I wish I had a infrared thermometer the be precise, but I don't. I throw mine on a hot plate by GE for a few minutes. About 1.5 minutes on one side then the other for another minute and a half. If you can touch it with a bare hand without getting burnt, your doing good. Trust me, my red neck thermometer works great after a few times of being burnt. That aluminum heats up real quick. To do 50 of them would take some time, but it is doable. At first the cold lines appeared on every worm until I started heating my molds. After that they went away. If your molds get to cool the lines will begin to show again. Just something to remember when the line reappear.

Jason · « **Reply #23 on:** 12/15/11 11:15 UTC »

Quote from: Dave on 12/15/11 07:34 UTC

Every month for three months besides December I've ordered a mold from CCM. Now I've got a 10 inch, 7 inch and a 4.75 inch ribbon tail, so you can imagine what kinda injections a person can come up with with only three molds. I will post some in the gallery section so everyone can see them. This is something that I had never seen until I got the idea from watching Jason making the toads in one of his videos. To do it you must: Preheat your mold until WARM, not hot. Second, pour a color on one side of the mold then the other, third, allow time to set but not cool, finally, inject the mold with the last color. If you've let your plastic set to long to cool before injecting it, you will notice that the laminates will separate. If you inject it to soon, the plastic in the mold will gum up making your injection fail to reach the end.

Your baits look awesome. You inspired me to give it a go and I made some 7" ones. I posted it in the Cook Book section.

Nice work!!!

Jason

Dave · « **Reply #24 on:** 12/15/11 11:41 UTC »

Thanks Jason! After doing this time after time just to get it figured out, I came up with an idea and took it to the machine shop. This little secret will be let out of the bag after I get it back and play with it enough to master it. I fell in love with laminates after my first one, so now my focus is perfecting it.

Muskygary · « **Reply #25 on:** 12/15/11 13:09 UTC »

I can see all sorts of ideas with this. If you do a separate green tail, and pour a green back and white belly then inject black you could make a great bass minnow! Plus other ideas would be a steelhead trout, bluegill, etc.

Jason · « **Reply #26 on:** 12/15/11 13:14 UTC »

It won't help with making triple laminates, but I've made some "laminate" plates for guys that are really cool. It's basically a blank half of the mold (only has alignment pin / hole, venting, spru and runner), that you can clamp to the mold, shoot half, then close the mold and shoot the other half. It's not as fast as a blending block, but it makes a stone cold perfect bait and is very simple.

It's a little chewed up, but here's a Watermelon Red / Pearl Wutz-It made that way.

Jason

Dave · « **Reply #27 on:** 12/15/11 13:24 UTC »

Jason, that is brilliant!

. Is it just a milled plate? If it is what is the cost?

ghostbaits · « **Reply #28 on:** 12/15/11 13:27 UTC »

Love the ingenuity!!!

Jim

Denny Welch · « **Reply #29 on:** 12/15/11 13:32 UTC »

Dave...your laminated worm's are phenomenal.