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Offline ctom

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Another one in the drink....
« on: 02/11/17 09:36 UTC »
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The big to-do with the Bass Pro/Cabelas merger got nixed in the courts recently. Dicks Sporting Goods has filed for bankruptcy along with Sport Authority. Now Gander Mountain is tossing its hat in the ring. Sign of the times I guess, eh? In reality I seldom get my nose past the front door of these places so if they go away its not a big upset in my life. But stop and look at what these places focus on for sales leaders and it certainly is not hunting or fishing equipment. Women's and sports fashion yes....the guy cave no. All of this makes me happy I make mu own tackle for the most part and for what I use in shooting and hunting I can get at shops specific to those needs.

I remember when Herter's was a Minnesota business only 50 miles from home in Waseca, Minnesota. I'd skip school to drive over there and spend the day just dreaming as I looked everything over. My first fly tying kit was ordered from Herter's and those trips to Waseca saw me leave with a couple bags of tying materials each time I got there. They folded years back. I remember when Cabelas was a garage-based mail-order outfit. I remember Carole and I coming across Nebraska while on vacation and going out of our way to stop at both of the big Cabelas stores. Bags again. Now e have Cabelas stores all over creation and what's happening to them?  Same with Bass Pro in Springfield, Misery. My opinion of Bass pro was that it was the pits. What a junk hole that place was while all of the outlying properties were dressed in their finest while what was supposed to be the real draw was a dive. I'll never go back there. The Twin Cities here in Minnesota had several Holiday Gas stations that had outstanding fishing and hunting departments where deals could be had every day. The Twin Cities also had a couple of Berger Brothers Sporting Goods stores. The Holiday stations sold the sporting goods side to a very young Gander Mountain. Eventually the Berger Brothers stores were sold to Gander. Gander got huge and today is in the tank.  The Twin Cities was also home to a couple largish sports specialty stores called Galyons. Galyons was by far my favorite of the more modern stores and had hunting and fishing departments that were HUGE and the people working in those departments had years and years of collective knowledge in the areas they served. Dick's Sporting Goods popped up out of no-where and bought the two Galyons stores and changed the mission and now  Dick's ship is sinking.

What seems to be the common thread leading to the demise of all of these places is laying in of clothing and footwear and golf and the peripheral water sports.  Walk into any of these stores and the first thing you see is what's the latest and greatest in women's wear. Then men's and kid's wear and golf clothing. Fishing and hunting, non-clothing, related goods have gotten their areas shrunk in size while the clothing boom just marches on. Every one of these big retailers have changed their mission and today are in dire straits. The mighty are falling.

So in light of that, I am sooooooooooooooooo happy to be a tackle crafter. On this Do-It forum everyone is a master of his own design, everyone has something to offer and everyone is thriving on nothing more than personal ingenuity and broad imaginations. In many ways, this stuff we do is still old school, but we all have everything we need to fish successfully. And in most instances we have baits that cannot be found on store's hooks or pegs or shelving. People helping people....that's first and foremost here and that's what keeps this ship sailing.
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Offline Lines

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #1 on: 02/11/17 09:45 UTC »
Good post ctom! I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head with the change of items stocked at these stores. My brother and I made the 7 hour drive years ago to Sidney, NE when it was a sportsman's store. We also stopped at Kearney on the out of the way home. Better days then? I believe so.

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #2 on: 02/11/17 10:03 UTC »
Do you remember the old Herter's catalog? Remember how they wrote up all their lures, secret Indian baits, lures made out of bone ;made by the Eskimoes. etc LOL The reason they're all going under is they can't compete with the internet stores! Tacklewarehouse, Landbigfish, fishusa, etc . no store hours, no shoplifting. A few employees who can pull stock to fill mail orders, no fancy stores needed. It nice to go on line, find the lure your looking for, and they have it in all colors! The trend of the future.

Offline billygee

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #3 on: 02/11/17 10:51 UTC »
ctom

Have to agree "Great Post"

Just south of me is Beaver Dam where I would make a run to shop at Herter's unfortunately those days came to a halt!
I believe back in 2011 (http://www.startribune.com/hurting-for-herter-s/128596073/)
Sad but, like you stated : So in light of that, I am sooooooooooooooooo happy to be a tackle crafter

billygee  ::)

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #4 on: 02/11/17 11:17 UTC »
I was to both of the original Cabelas stores as well Lines. Better back then? You bet!

Yes, the internet has been a dynamic that has changed the shopping for many things. Its certainly handier than driving if waiting is ok. There is always the threat of your personal data being hijacked and I am one of those people who likes to have something new in my hands before I start sending card info. Its just one of my quirks....I'll believe all the hype when I have handled it or used it. I have ordered some what was then "new" baits because the price was decent and how they were advertised made them seem like an item to try. Big things like reels or rods I want to have in my mitts first....not all advertising is honest and after looking at rods advertised as fast action in medium power I found the rods to be clubs. All told, I agree with the internet putting sales in brick and mortar stores in the tank. I am however convinced that if these big box stores were to have separate entities for clothing/footwear under the same name, the clothing stores would do fine as would the store hosting only hunting/fishing/water sports and camping.....keeping them sports oriented.

The physical stores need to clean up their stuff as far as sales personnel and how products are ordered. Being "out" of something two weeks into a season is unacceptable. Asking a salesperson a specific question about a product and getting a "huh" in reply is unacceptable. Provide the perspective customer with a knowledgeable staff that can offer honest assistance and the pay those persons  a decent rate to make work worth coming to instead of a place to get a check for showing up. Corporate greed prevents a lot of this from happening. Cheapening product quality is another greed related problem. I know personally many people who have been employed at every business I have mentioned that went to work there with the ideology that the company cared about the consumer and was focused on customer satisfaction, only to find that corporate wrangling smear all of those ideas with bs and these people quit because they didn't want to conform to policy that they were dead set against.

Doing what I do today with tackle crafting is by far and away more satisfying than spending money on bagged goods whether found on-line or in a store. If I want a specific color anything, I make it. If I need something, as you mentioned Gary, there are a host of on-line sources for me to use to get what I need within a couple days. Stop and think about what we have right at our finger tips that those corporate giants can't even begin to look at. Who's still here? And who's taking the dive? Ask a question here, anyone ask a question, and without fail there will be a whole host of replies with thoughts and ideas to help overcome just about any issue that pops up in what we all do here. There are people working in those big stores that cannot answer most of the questions fielded in a day. I love having this tackle crafting close to me and I love the interaction that happens here at this site, but when I go into a store with a question the absolute last thing I want to hear is "huh" or some line of bs that a poorly educated fool is trying to pass off as an adequate answer. I don't feel badfor those stores but I really do feel good about tackle crafting.
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Offline ctom

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #5 on: 02/11/17 11:20 UTC »
ctom

Have to agree "Great Post"

Just south of me is Beaver Dam where I would make a run to shop at Herter's unfortunately those days came to a halt!
I believe back in 2011 (http://www.startribune.com/hurting-for-herter-s/128596073/)
Sad but, like you stated : So in light of that, I am sooooooooooooooooo happy to be a tackle crafter

billygee  ::)

Beaver Dam....Wiscinsin or in MN. I haven't heard of a MN Beaver Dam.
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Offline billygee

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #6 on: 02/11/17 12:24 UTC »
ctom

Really ! (Beaver Dam WI)
I may be wrong on the closing date,
but I also purchased shooting supplies there along with fishing equipment.
May have been a branch store, but they had everything you could think of
did a search not much on it : (https://www.yelp.com/biz/herters-retail-beaver-dam)

billygee  ::)

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #7 on: 02/11/17 12:32 UTC »
I worked two years, part time in a big fishing store "Lunkers" in Edwardsburg, Michigan. On Friday after my regular job I would drive up and work until closing, them work Saturday and Sunday. Did it for two years for fun and to pay for my hobby. People would come in tell me they were going to Canada. I'd ask them what resort, then I would say that's on lake so and so, I know just what you need. I'd set them up with a medium spinning outfit and a medium heavy spinning outfit (most people can't use casting tackle). I had several people come back to the store and tell me the guide said they had just what they needed. They had fun trips because they had medium priced tackle that worked for 2-4 pound walleyes and 30-38 inch northerns. People use to come in to the store and ask for me by name. When I finally quit (moved to Warsaw) I thought the owner was going to cry. Asked me if there was any way I could stay. It was a fun two years for me and the people I worked with, (but I spent all the money I earned on hunting and fishing supplies) LOL The moral of the story is people want a saleman who knows what he's talking about and can set them up with reasonable priced tackle!

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #8 on: 02/11/17 12:34 UTC »
My favorite vice for tying is a Herter's model (ca 1969) because it is quick acting and clamps extra tight for heavy bass on up to musky gear.  Quality always has it's place in our lives, but cheaper items just tend to move faster in our disposable world.

I agree with what you said about clothing as the problem.  There is certainly a market for this and most outdoorsmen have these needs, yet because it often has the highest margins, it gets the most floor (or catalog) space.  Sad to think Gander might be losing out as they should have learned their lesson from their troubles in the late 1990s into the 2000s.   :(

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« Reply #9 on: 02/11/17 13:47 UTC »
Up until 6 yrs ago had NEVER!! been in a Cabela's or BPS store.  Went to Michigan for the grand daughters birthday and I went for my first time.  Found stuff I wanted but that I could actually look at.  Saved big money because I didn't have to pay for shipping.  As I moved to the fly tying section the guy comes over to me and being the smart ass that I am wanted to find out what he knew - asked him for hackle to make Renegade dry flies and he comes back with "What's a Renegade dry fly". 

I picked up bags of Hareline rabbit pieces, and they actually had Extra Select Craft hair in the sales bin as no one was buying it.  My wife actually didn't give me a limit that day as I'd never been in a Cabelas before.

Stopped at a BPS in Auburn, NY when I was heading to my Dad's to meet my daughter.  We meet there and then bring our granddaughter back to Vermont for the summer - What a DIVE!!!  I bought her one of the new ladies classic 33 as she outgrew her Zebco 22, but just listening to some of the BS these people were telling customers, I found my wifeand said lets split and go out to lunch somewhere. 

Saw the end of 2 of my local fly shops but there's still one left.  Saw when Gander sold their mail order business to Cabelas and now Gander is trying it again. 

I've been making my own stuff since I was a kid and I agree with everyone the stuff we make you can't find on a store shelf.  Don't know what's going to happen with this merger but it's NOT going to be good for any of us. 

I've gotten to be friends with many through all the boards I'm on and even though we've never met I consider myself fornute to know you all.  We swap materials and baits, but most of all we learn from each other and that makes all of us bigger and better than any box store our there. 

To all of you THANKS!!

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #10 on: 02/11/17 16:54 UTC »
I'm like you guys; being able to craft and tailor my baits to my own liking has been nothing but rewarding for myself and for the few people I make lures for.  I have two BPS stores within 30 minutes to a 1 hour drive from me but I have only been to them a handful of times, mostly years ago before I started making my own lures.  The one store I will still go to, some of you other Southern guys probably know it, is Mark's Outdoors in Vestavia, AL.  I only go there if I know for sure they're going to have what I need like a new reel, replace a rod or they're having a really good sale.  They have a knowledgeable staff who are more than willing to help anyone who walks in the door and have no trouble pointing you in the right direction about an upcoming trip or how they're catching them. 

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #11 on: 02/11/17 18:47 UTC »
We have several stores in and around Minnesota that cater to the anglers and hunters, but they are all private labels. Great merchandising and in-the-know staffing makes these places true gems. Denny and Rosemary took Carole and I to such a store in the mountains while we were in California last summer and it was something else to visit. These places are out there. The big stores with the LABELS, well they can fall hard.
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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #12 on: 02/11/17 19:26 UTC »
Tom.
Great article.
The area we live in (Northwestern Montana) has grown by leaps and bounds in past years. Just this Friday A Hobby Lobby store had it's grand opening, the first of the year the only other hobby store (a very good mom and pop) closed it's doors knowing the Hobby lobby was coming. Sad!
The other night I needed some 30# steel leader.
The large sorta chain sporting goods store in town didn't have any.
Drove to the next larger town checked the  Sister store and nope no go. Now we have a very very good sporting goods store but it's way on the other other side of town. Darn. But wait there's a Cabelas a half block away, maybe they have some? Well the guy at the counter couldn't leave the cash register and there was no one else that could come and see if they could find it. About to walk out the door and he decides he can help me? We walk around a bit but no steel leader to be found......but wait he thinks he has found some? Nope "lead" core line. Really! He thinks it should work. Handed him the couple of items I had picked up told him he could put them back on the shelf, and thanks "this would be a great place to start a fishing department.
So now what? Drive like hell to the other side of town and go where I should have gone in the first place. The real sporting goods store that sells primarily sporting goods not clothing. Made it with 5 minutes till closing, apologized like heck got EVERTHING I needed and was out the door.
What does Cabelas have? Lots of cloths with there name all over it. What are the other "sporting" goods stores? High end clothing stores.
Went to a small memorial fishing derby today and got first place in Rainbow Trout class with my "Mayday Mayfly" and fourth in the Perch class with same.
Way more fun to catch fish with something I made!

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Re: Another one in the drink....
« Reply #13 on: 02/11/17 19:47 UTC »
I can remember as a kid reading the Herter's catalogue word for word.  I knew of course that most of it was BS (Barnum and Bailey stuff) but to my eyes it was magical.  Now in my senior years, I stare at $60,000 bass boats, $700 rods and wonder if they get the same satisfaction I did in my old jon boat and zebco 33.  I seen on the news the other day that the AVERAGE credit card balance is sixteen freakin grand maybe the rest of the country could do a whole lot better if they learned to make their own baits they would,t have to worry about wearing all those fancy clothes (they would just stink like plastic anyway).  The last time I was in a Dicks store was about 5 years ago while on a steelhead trip to Ohio.  We were looking for some plain ol size 2 spinners and spoons.  There was a grand total of about 10 on the shelves but they sure did have a lot of golf stuff.  In Ohio.  In November.  Not hard to figure out why they are going down the tubes.
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« Reply #14 on: 02/12/17 08:58 UTC »
I like the big box stores for the occasional sales they have on cranks. I also look for items that are mismarked price wise. It doesn't happen very often but you can get some smokin deals on stuff because the staff doesn't know their stuff product wise. I also like the box stores for big ticket items like trolling motors , locators etc. I have a Cabeles credit card and since I NEVER carry a balance I have gotten a TON of free stuff through the years. After using my points and a few gift cards, my Terovva cost me about 400 bucks. My Elite 7 cost me about 200 bucks out of pocket after using my points. That's the upside of the box stores for me.

That being said, the selection at the box stores sucks. When I go to a sporting goods store I am looking for stuff that works in my area. With the box stores, all you're going to get is what some pencil pusher in corporate thinks I need which is usually junk.

I miss the mom and pop sporting goods stores around here. The last good one around here closed it doors 4 years ago so I am either making a LONG drive to get to a half way decent sporting goods store or I buy off the web. 

I could go on with my dislikes with the box stores but I have a feeling I am preaching to the choir on the subject and will leave it at that save to say that if the box stores around here closed up shop I wouldn't miss them.