Custom Baits - Forum
Soft Plastic Bait Making => Photo Gallery => Topic started by: 2XL on 02/23/17 15:50 UTC
-
I tried my luck using efishs high zuit core shot method and here's what I came up with.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951294_zpsxfqhwfv1.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951294_zpsxfqhwfv1.jpg.html)
Flippin zip
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951295_zpsvioertbl.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951295_zpsvioertbl.jpg.html)
Thump Grub
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951296_zpsiss90mhl.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951296_zpsiss90mhl.jpg.html)
3.5" Swim Shad
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951297_zpsepbhobsf.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951297_zpsepbhobsf.jpg.html)
It went easier than I thought it would. Of the three baits the Flippin Zip turned out the best and pretty much how a guy would want a core shot to turn out like. Though it's a little tedious getting the trimmed body back into the mold. Hint - A little worm oil helps with that a LOT. I'm real happy with how those turned out.
Knowing I was probably going to have issues with the Thump Grub I only shot one of those. Making a pin for that bait was a little tricky. I ended up cutting the pin to length then ground one end down to a fine point so it would allow the plastic to fill the mold on the initial shot. That part worked like a champ as far as creating a core space. Since my pin was so tapered ( about 3/4 of an inch and needle sharp) I had to trim the the first long section of the bait off so the core plastic had a large enough opening to flow through. That left me with the head of the bait being the core color plus there was a little blow by as the core color covered a little bit of the main body color. I'm OK with that as I usually cut an inch off the bait when I fish it anyways. If you are looking for a full size Thump Grub that doesn't have a head the same as the core color then the tapered pin probably won't cut it for you.
The Swim Shad too suffered from a little blow by. Though you probably wouldn't know by this picture, the bait on the left is turned out great. The two baits on the right both had blow by issues. Re: Blow by. It's not a deal breaker by any means. The fish won't give a rip one way or another but if you are looking for perfect results every time then blow by may be an issue.
All the pins I made were made of 1/8" brass rod. For the Flippin Zip, I just cut them to the length I wanted and ground the ends to a rounded end on the bench grinder. They lay right in place no problem - Easy !
The Thump Grub I needed to grind one end as thin as I could to as fine a point as I could. That ended up being about a 3/4" taper. The other end I just rounded off.
The Swim Shad I just ground flat at each end of the pin. That allowed the mold to close completely. It also kept the pins in place , sort of ( LOL ) and allowed enough room for the plastic to flow.
Many thanks to Efish for the great idea.
Oh, and I killed my first Mosquito of 2017 in my garage today. 2XL 1 - Mosquito Nation 0
-
Those look great to me, I will have to try it one day. Great job.
-
Oh, and I killed my first Mosquito of 2017 in my garage today. 2XL 1 - Mosquito Nation 0
You're killing skeeters and we're under a blizzard warning now.
Nice looking stuff there 2XL. With the nicer weather we've been able to enjoy of late I have been painting blade baits....for Lake Superior. Real basic paint jobs, but that's all that's needed for that lake.
-
Great post! I will try that on my flippin zip.
-
Very cool to see the evolution and application of this process.
-
A charturse body with a green core would be a flippin zip killer on walleye!
-
Very cool to see the evolution and application of this process.
Can you hear the angels are singing...?
-
Thanks all but it's efishnc that deserves all the credit.
So I messed around and whittled up some new pins for the Thump Grub and this is how they turned out.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951298_zpswklfr2wo.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951298_zpswklfr2wo.jpg.html)
I think I will make the pins a tad longer as I really only want the last two segments and the tail to be same color as the core.
I am having a bear of time with bubbles today. I'd really like to shoot a transparent no bubble bait with these core shot baits but it's just not happening. Not even close. New plastisol, older plastisol and remelts are all giving me fits.
Bum deal with the weather your way Tom. We MIGHT get an inch of snow out of the deal the weather guessers say and that's fine by me. I'll swat a Mosquito for you if you think will make you feel any better about the weather.
How are you painting your blades ? I have been looking into liquid powder paint for my little Tungsten ice fishing jigs.
-
Nice work. I've been thinking about the tapered pin idea. I was driving home today thinking if I only had a lathe lol.
I've got a bunch more ideas for this method that I'm gonna work on here this weekend since my rIvers are at flood stage and it looks like a good amount of snow is coming tomorrow.
-
You guys are on fire! good work 2XL
-
A bench grinder will get you what you need taper wise. A hand file would too. Heck you could probably chuck up a short piece of 1/8" brass rod in a Dremel tool and run it over a file lying on your bench if you don't have a bench grinder. Safety first of course .... LOL
But yeah, short of a mold already machined to do core shots it seems you pretty much have to have a long thin taper on the pin to do E cores with the Thump Grub mold.
-
Air brush 2X. I need the practice.
-
Follow up: Now all your doing is laying the tube in the mold, closing and shooting. The plastic will go completely around the tube ?
-
Of the three baits the Flippin Zip turned out the best…
If I were Ronnie Milsap, I might say that’s 99 & 44?100 percent pure love!
Knowing I was probably going to have issues with the Thump Grub I only shot one of those. Making a pin for that bait was a little tricky.
This is where a good CNC program would come in handy… (HINT!)
I ended up cutting the pin to length then ground one end down to a fine point so it would allow the plastic to fill the mold on the initial shot.
WTG… that's thinking outside the (tackle) box!!!
I had contemplated the Dremel, but decided to meditate on this a bit more… (another option I came up with was to over drill both the pin anchor and the sprue hole, and then back fill the pin anchor with JB, but I wasn't really sold on this either)… now after seeing your mod, I have the fix to eliminate both with minimum problems… leave the rod longer, but just neck it down to allow the plastic to flow around it… maybe even something like what you did for the Swim Shad.
However, a good CNC program would be much less tedious… (HINT, HINT!)
Many thanks to Efish for the great idea.
I started with a reference to a singer and I’ll end with a composer, Georg Friedrich Händel would always give credit where credit was due… Soli Deo Gloria!
-
I like the name 2XL gives your method efishnc. E-Core. I like it a lot. Efishnc Baits announces the E-Core series 2017.
Beautiful work 2xl, absolutely beautiful.
-
Musky, Yes. That's all there is to it. I've only tried it with the three molds and each one is a little different. The pins lay nicely in the Flippin Zip mold without any grinding. I had to put a fairly extreme taper on the pin for the Thump Grub and I ground flat surfaces on both ends of the pins for the Swim Shad mold. They don't line up PERFECTLY but they line up good enough for me. That may change as I do more baits down the road but I'm pretty happy with the results so far.
For clarification, I'm using a solid rod not a tube. You can get that at Ace , Menards etc. I already had some laying around for dipping tube baits.
LOL efish. The Flippin Zip was the easiest of the three to do for me. I knew strait away after looking at the gate that the Thump Grub pin would need an extreme taper. I got lucky with my first try but I think I can do better making a more user friendly pin. The Swim Shad was tough as there is some play no matter how I laid the pin in there. By play I mean the pin can slide top to bottom a little bit. I'm guessing a guy could mess around and grind the ends of the pins down to the point where the mold holds them in place when it closes but I'll leave that sleeping dog lay I think as I'm happy with my results.
I'm just glad you came up with the idea of laying a pin in these molds as I'm not too keen on the idea of drilling holes in my molds = FOR SURE I would screw them up.
-
Thanks guys, This is something really new that will make great baits! Going to have to buy a couple more Flippin Zip molds so I can shoot a few at a time!
-
I'm not too keen on the idea of drilling holes in my molds = FOR SURE I would screw them up.
That's why I was reluctant to touch my mold with either of the two methods I mentioned above.
Other than length, the pin you made for the Thump Grub should pretty much be a match for the Ring-It mold as well... (I'm betting the sprue opening and cavity diameter are nearly identical)... so, if you have the Ring-it, well, you know what to do.
-
I'm sure that different molds will take different size rods. Something to play with. I shoot a lot of crappie baits (for my own use) in clear plastic with glitter. I'm thinking a smaller size rod would work with them to give it a core and tail shot. The important thing seems to be , you want a tight fit in the tail section to hold the rod up in the middle of the bait.
-
I'm thinking a smaller size rod would work with them to give it a core and tail shot. The important thing seems to be , you want a tight fit in the tail section to hold the rod up in the middle of the bait.
I have some nails laid out to try on a couple molds later on.
-
"The important thing seems to be , you want a tight fit in the tail section to hold the rod up in the middle of the bait."
Yes, that would be ideal if you want a perfectly centered core shot but I really don't think that matters ( a perfectly centered core shot ) with the larger baits. That being said, It may be an issue with smaller crappie sized baits. I am curious to see how thin a core hole a guy can get away with on the smaller baits.
"I'm sure that different molds will take different size rods"
I had to do some grinding on the pins to make them fit well enough to let the plastic flow on two of the three molds I tried the E core method with. In my case , I used 1/8" brass rod but I think you could go with a larger diameter rod if you wanted a larger core. You would have to pay close attention on how you ground the ends of those pins if you wanted a perfectly centered core color but it wouldn't take much ( less precise )grinding if you can settle for good enough centering of your core color.
I am enjoying figuring this process out .... so far. LOL
-
I messed around with the Flippin Zip and Ring It molds this afternoon. This was the only bait that turned out nice.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951303_zpsl9huzxub.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951303_zpsl9huzxub.jpg.html)
I shot 8 baits 4 Flippin Zips and 4 Ring It worms to do core shots with. I only tried to do a core shot with two of each bait this afternoon. The Fliipn Zip that failed was my fault ( It got pinched in the mold ) or else I would have had two decent baits instead of the one pictured.
I ended up making a set of pins for the ring It mold. I thought maybe I could use the pins I made for the Thump Grub but that idea was a no go. The pins I made for the Ring It worked out great. They left me with 4 nice hollowed baits . Unfortunately, my E core shots on the two I tried were complete fails. I have a pretty good idea where I went wrong so hopefully I'll have better luck next time.
-
Gary/Tom - any news on your experiments with the smaller baits?
I like the nail idea, but I can also see the core becoming too small (as 2XL alluded to) and not pass the plastic through to the tail depending on the nail size... maybe the color drop method will remain the best for the smaller baits. (I'm looking forward to doing some tinkering with this method on the Thumper Fry next time I'm in the garage, but I really doubt it will be this weekend for sure).
2XL - too bad about your troubles this afternoon, especially with the Ring-It... I do hope your intuition on the problem is correct because I am looking forward to seeing a shot with that. Was the pin for the Ring-It ground any different than the one for the Thump Grub (aside from being longer)?
-
I trimmed and shined up 5 6penny stainless trim nails but they are still too thick and fill the gate on the 1.5" thump-it. I have some 3 and 4 penny nails laid out to do the same with as soon as this latest bout of A-Fib takes a hike. I spent about five total hours outside clearing snow today taking a three hour break half way thru. After putting blower and shovels away for the day I grabbed the news paper and sat down and read it. Just as I laid the last section down the A-Fib nailed me big time so I have been pretty quite since 3:50. Played with the new molds for an hour but that was low key. Just have to wait it out. When it decides to vacate my old frame I'll get back to the nails and thump-it mold.
-
I'm curious to see how those might turn out, but first take care of yourself so the only fibbing you do on a regular basis is over the size of your fish. ::)
On a side note, have you located any of those old Aqua Glow baits?
-
Nada on the aqua glows E. They're probably history and I just don't know it yet.
-
Oh well, they were probably getting stale anyhow.
-
I took and bought some 1/16" brass rod to try on the little Thump its and some other small baits. I never got around to messing with those molds yesterday as I was having bubbles issues that really put me in the wrong frame of mind to continue = cheesed me off big time. I have an idea the 1/16 will end up being too thin diameter wise = wait and see I guess.
efish, I don't have a problem with the failed baits. A little disappointed, Yes, but even a bad result is an opportunity to learn and I am totally good with that. I know what I will do differently next time.
Yes, I've made pins for 4 different molds now and they are all a little different.
-
I don't have a problem with the failed baits. A little disappointed, Yes, but even a bad result is an opportunity to learn and I am totally good with that. I know what I will do differently next time.
That's the right attitude to have otherwise a fella can carry on and really ruin things in the shop... I have three general piles (light, medium & dark) of misfits or used plastics that go into a re-melt pile for craws and/or creature baits for bass. I would always prefer to see perfection in my work, but lucky for me the swamp trout are not as picky.
-
Add the Thumper Swim Fry and the 3 inch Skinny Carrot to the E core list. I should have used a solid color to show the core color a little better in these baits/pictures = DOH !
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951304_zpsuhzh2slo.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951304_zpsuhzh2slo.jpg.html)
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951305_zpsjvdosxla.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951305_zpsjvdosxla.jpg.html)
-
Nice work 2XL I've been thinking about that thumper swim fry. Looks like it worked out real nice!
-
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951304_zpsuhzh2slo.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951304_zpsuhzh2slo.jpg.html)
You guys are killing me... seeing your pictures and not being able to join in is almost as bad as seeing fish pictures when I can't go.
2XL - those little thumper fry baits are premium!!!
(If you have some tiny eyes, put them on and I'm betting the core will then look all the more like a lateral line, bringing the realism factor to another level... I only suggest this because I know the difference eyes can make on a laminate bait.)
What size rod on these? Any troubles or words of advice?
-
Thanks e. It's still very much a one step forward, two steps back process for me but I'm getting there. I should have stuck with the red or other solid color but I wanted to work up a nice char green anyway so I just used that and killed two birds with one stone.
I used 1/16" brass rod to make the pins for the Thumper Fry. Pretty strait forward and I didn't have to shape them in any way save to round the ends off a little bit. The hardest part was getting the trimmed bodies back in the mold for the core shot. I say trouble only because there are 10 of them , they are small and I have fat fingers. LOL IMO this is not a hard bait to make using your method.
-
2XL I'm assuming the 1/16 rod fits right into the tail section nicely so you don't have to be to picky on exact length on this one?
-
The hardest part was getting the trimmed bodies back in the mold for the core shot. I say trouble only because there are 10 of them , they are small and I have fat fingers.
I know exactly what you are saying... one of my hunting buddies says I have bratwurst fingers (but I'm sure that's only because his seem like green beans in comparison) and I often have trouble with bumping hooks in production jig molds.
-
I cut the pins long enough that they stop at the end of the body cavity but you could run it further into the tail if you wanted to. I didn't for two reasons. One, I wanted to make sure the mold vented well enough to allow the whole body to fill with plastic on the initial shot. Two, is that it can be a pain pulling a long pin out of some of these baits due to them having thin walls so the less pin you have to pull out the better. I've learned that a little sanding of the pins with 400 grit ( using a finer grit might be better )sandpaper and a light coat of worm oil helps when pulling the pins out of each bait.
-
A few more Thump,Thumper baits. Both of these molds are fairly easy to E core.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951313_zpssmt6unmv.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951313_zpssmt6unmv.jpg.html)
Here is how I laid the pins in the Thumper Fry mold. The pins end at my finger tips but you could make them a little longer as the ones in the picture tend to slide back and forth a little if you're not careful.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951306_zpsre61f1bp.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951306_zpsre61f1bp.jpg.html)
-
Good stuff fellas.
-
Nice work again 2XL. I'm gonna have to get on that thumper fry.
-
WOW! You use one pin to cover two baits? Must allow enough room for plastic to get down the center core since they all came out!
-
Yes.You could go with single pins for each bait if you REALLY wanted to but that would be a total nightmare to set up. Using a single pin is easy peasy once you have it sized to fit the mold.
I also use a single pin for the 3 inch skinny carrot mold.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951307_zpsupwdrisd.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951307_zpsupwdrisd.jpg.html)
-
Thanks for the up date. You guys are hard to stay up with. Glad your all my friends!
-
Just be sure your pin allows enough air out to vent the mold. Just remember that it doesn't matter if the whole tail forms on your initial shot of plastic because you are most likely going to trim the tail section off the baits for your core shot anyway. So as long as your pins allow for a fully formed body then you're good to go.
-
Nice job 2XL. Unbelievable clarity.
-
Thanks Lines but there are a few bubbles in those baits.
-
A color scheme I was working on yesterday. I used Blue Smoke Pearl colorant from MF I think and a tiny bit of 2X Blue for the outer color and shot an Indigo core.
It's not quite what I was shooting for but it looks good on the little Thump Grub. I am trying to mimic the colors of the little Sheephead in the river here. I would say %80 of the walleyes I catch have baby Sheepheads in their stomachs. The sheepehed here have a grayish bluish pearly like color on the belly and a darker blue/black top color. I'm not totally satisfied with this color so the search will go on.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951320_zpstzhv1jzx.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951320_zpstzhv1jzx.jpg.html)
They really pop using the flash on my phones camera.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/DABCCA55-_zpsn5iyqo67.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/DABCCA55-_zpsn5iyqo67.jpg.html)
I did some bugs ( Mayflies ) too yesterday. Nothing even close to as cool as the ones Mike made but they look alright for my first try. You'll notice that not all the tails fully formed. I think I need to shoot the plastic a little hotter and warm my mold a little more before E coring this mold. This color is an ES Motor Oil and 2X Watermelon Brown with a tiny bit of .40 and .15 Black glitter tossed in. It makes a nice bug body color IMO.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951319_zpshvuzeccu.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951319_zpshvuzeccu.jpg.html)
-
Tried my hand at the E-Core today. I found a problem with the method. It is totally addictive. I can't stop thinking of new colors to try. I didn't want to drive 22 miles to Menards, so I went to our local True Value to get the rods. They didn't have brass so I bought plain steel 1/8" rod. I polished it up a bit with 800 grit wet/dry sandpaper and coated with worm oil. Worked very well. I really like this technique of doing two color baits. Simple, and very dramatic results. Good job efishnc, Good job! Thank you for sharing.
-
16penny coated sinkers with the head cut off work great too.
-
16penny coated sinkers with the head cut off work great too.
With the 3" grub mold I tried the method with that would have worked perfect ctom. I am going to try that with some other molds next time.
-
"It is totally addictive." Hahahaha Got any pics Lines ?????
-
I don't have a very good camera. I might borrow one from a friend and see if I can post some pictures.
-
Tried my hand at the E-Core today. I found a problem with the method. It is totally addictive. I can't stop thinking of new colors to try.
The good news is it helps keep us out of the taverns. :P
The bad news is lover girl won't let us fish enough to use them all. :'(
-
It was too windy to fish so I worked on an Electric Blue color yesterday. Figured I would do some E core baits while I was at it. The core color gives some of these baits a pearl look to them which is kind of cool. I really need to figure out how to take better pictures. LOL
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/5D19C77F-_zps8e5spgry.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/5D19C77F-_zps8e5spgry.jpg.html)
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/2F184AD2-_zpskoap9bwb.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/2F184AD2-_zpskoap9bwb.jpg.html)
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/EB95C2A2-_zpsiszytqfc.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/EB95C2A2-_zpsiszytqfc.jpg.html)
-
You've been a busy boy. Bored maybe?
Did we send you some nice weather last night?
-
Bored ? No. Unable to fish because of the weather ? Yes ! LOL I went fishing Thursday, Friday and Sunday. Would have gone yesterday and today too but the wind put the screws to that plan. It's a steady 20 mph wind gusting to 40 right now and it's supposed to be worse tomorrow.
Lots of lightning and wind late last night and I'm pretty sure we had storm warnings after I went to bed around midnight. They said we had winds pushing 50 mph but not a lot of rain and no property damage reports to speak of. Take away the wind and it would be a beautiful sunny day today.
-
Wow... I would have never thought of a white core... those Flippin' Zips look super cool.
-
A few more. Both of these baits are easy to E core.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag60/lighthouse0812XL/IMG951423_zpsh6g24ydm.jpg) (http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/lighthouse0812XL/media/IMG951423_zpsh6g24ydm.jpg.html)
-
I love those clear, glitter bodies with the E-core! I can see I'm going to spend many days pouring those if it ever gets warm.
-
Those clear bodies are the way to go with the E core. The pictures don't do those baits any justice at all. These two baits are really easy to E core. The pins for the grub mold take a little grinding to get them to fit the mold just right but that too is pretty easy to do with a bench grinder.
I have done E core baits in solid colors but it's much easier to shoot some tails in one color then come back and shoot the body in a different color.
-
Nice work 2XL I really like the clear with the green core!
-
Kudos to ALL of the E core artist out there. I'm just totally impressed with all of your work, those just look so cool! Keep up the great work, and thanks for sharing!
-
Kudos to ALL of the E core artist out there. I'm just totally impressed with all of your work, those just look so cool! Keep up the great work, and thanks for sharing!
I agree! really digging the white cores 2XL
-
really digging the white cores
Right, I would have always thought the core should have been a darker color, but white definitely works with those translucent colors!
-
You guys are making amazing baits!!