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nice find yesterday
« on: 01/21/13 09:45 UTC »
Carole read the paper Saturday afternoon and I saw here trim out a small piece. That usually means either coupon or "sale". Turned out to be an estate sale. With much squiming and kicking I finally relented and we went. It was onlty a couple blocks from home but I hadn't wanted to go out yesterday. This sale interrupted my all-important tackle re-organization effort that comes once each winter. I guess I am happy I went.

The place was a disaster area. The house was small and cramped with stairs approaching vertical and narrow. Nothing was marked and the clutter....this was the worst estate sale I have seen as far as organization goes but in the end the pricing was sweet. Down in the basement, in a utility room, way under an old wood shelf sat a box that said electric skillet on it. I risked kneeling down in the dust and who knows what else on the floor to pull the box forward. Sure enough....a skillet with the power cord but the lid was schmucked. Who needs a lid, right? So I left the lid where I found the box, but took the box up to the check-out desk and said "I can't find a price". Now the box has damp rot all over it  and is literally falling apart just holding it. The kind ladies at the desk got not so kind, what with the avalanche of degraded paper drifting down on their work area and said "how about .50 cents?" To that I said, "kinda high, but ya, I'll take it".

Now that its home [I left the box on the curb there in the free pile :D ] I have 5 bowls set inside it...a perfect fit. Now I need to step back outside to get some sugar sand from the local hillside while there is no snow. I'm feeling like I can almost go into mass production now. Well after I re-wire the house maybe. That's the other thing that Ma seems to complain about.....snapping circuit breakers . I have her sort of trained to run to the box and re-set those that pop when my cords get hot. But hey...the circuit box is in our snug, warm little abode and she doesn't have to get cold to get her chore done. She does carp about it though but not for long. I have mastered the whole electrical menagerie around the circuit that the tv runs on. If she wants to watch Judge Judy and the The Doctors, plus Brian Williams at 5pm she has to keep that circuit hot. Between the tv and her little trips to "the room" she stays pretty quiet. So do I.
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Re: nice find yesterday
« Reply #1 on: 01/21/13 09:57 UTC »
Good story, Tom.  How much plastisol are you heating up at once?  Any chance of a pic?
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Re: nice find yesterday
« Reply #2 on: 01/21/13 10:13 UTC »
Denny....I shoot almost all small baits and use pyrex custard cups that will hold a full cup, but generally mix up only 4 to 6 ounces at a pop.  I fill the pan with sugar sand so I get even heating under as well as around the cups. When I fill the pan with sand I wet it, then push my empty cups in place being sure to leave about 1/2 inch of sand under the cup and around each cup to within a half inch of the top of the cup. The room at the top makes it easy to remove the cups to do the primary cooking or re-heat in the microwave. Then the cup goes right back in the same hole.

Bumping and knocking around will eventually start to fill in the holes and I take time every few days to re-wet the sand and repeat the setting process. Its simple though. I do have to be careful not to knock sand into the hot plastic and even if some does make it in it settles right to the bottom.

I seldom have more than two colors activie in the pan but I leave the cups in place with scrap plastic in them to tray and preserve the holes. I have a couple of smaller hotplates and shallow saucepans that get the sand too. Why the sand? I think I get better and more consistant heat distribution using it and it helps diffuse hot spots the grill, griddle or pan may have. Sugar sand is that super fine white sand that almost gets sticky when wet. The grains are ultra fine and the sand is generally white, white. I think its the same stuff the gas drillers are after for fracting bedrock. Works great for this though. I'm heading out to round up some sand in a few minutes. When I get back and get the pan set up I'll shoot a pic and post it for ya'll.
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Re: nice find yesterday
« Reply #3 on: 01/22/13 12:39 UTC »
How much plastisol are you heating up at once?  Any chance of a pic?

Here's a pic of the skillet with 4 cups in place along with the sand.



I took the pic outside so I wouldn't have shadows. The cup in the lower left corner is empty to help show how deep the sand is along the sides. The cup of orange to the right of it also will show this aspect. Under the cups there is roughly 1/2" of sand.

Here's my theory behind this. This sand is nothing more than silica. Silica is a primary contributor to today's computer industry due to its heat holding properties....those being primarily that the silica distributes it's heat extremely evenly. In shallow skillets, the cups sitting on the burner surface still have sides exposed to air currents. Air equates to heat loss from the get-go but air currents will raise havoc with anything in those cups you want to remain temperature static. Using the sand in a deeper skillet such as this allows the heat across the bottom to be spread more evenly and affords way less chance of hot spots developing when items are sitting directly atop of the heating element. The heat is also broadcast throughout the sand mass and up along the sides of the cups, thus eliminating any chance of air flow along the sides of the cups and contents will create inconsistent temperatures. The only place the air can affect the temps much is from the top, so temp control is optimal compared to other heating methods and I'll stand this against the cast iron too.

The temp control is initially used as a reostat to set it at the right temp. On this unit I'll fill the cups with cooking oill to begin and check the temp as things heat up. When I hit 340 degrees, the reostat will get a couple of proof marks in the off chance the control gets moved. To turn on the unit I'll simply plug it [the reostat] in. To turn it off, I'll just pull the reostat without shutting it down to zero degrees. After proofing with the cooking oil I'll clean the cups and heat junk plastic enough to fill them in the microwave and fill each with the hot plastic after the skillet has heated to the pre-established temp. I'll let the plastic settle some and after a few minutes stir and do a temp check. With the junk plastic fluid in the cups I can make any adjustments to the reostat, up or down a few degrees, to be certain that the plastic will stay at my desired 340. Once that's done and any re-marking of the reostat dial is done I'll stary using good plastic in it. 

I have a smaller, two cup deep skillet similar to this one that I have used for a while now with great success. In that one I actually added elmers glue in a little water to dry sand and mixed it up, adding more water to get the sand to a workable consistency. After setting the cups and leveling the sand I allowed the water to evaporate out of the sand a few days in the furnace room, then ran the heat up with oil in the cups until the sand was hard. The elmers helps to hold vagrant sand from going anywhere but I found that by adding a bit more sand under the cups I did not have that problem again anyway, hence the 1/2" under the cups of the large skillet.

I have re-heating good plastic down to a fine art now, but sometimes I have to shoot several molds several times of clear plastics. My glitter bluegill is one that can take off on me in a blink and having the hotplate with my working plastic seems to erase that problem. Having the plastic sitting deeper into the heat source seems to keep it much easier to work with than when using shallower heating methods. I can pull the plug on the smaller unit and the plastic will still be easy to handle ten minutes later....that's how well the sand insulates and holds the heat.
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Re: nice find yesterday
« Reply #4 on: 01/22/13 13:33 UTC »
Thanks for pic and the explanation.  It looks like a terrific system for pouring smaller baits.  It sure beats nuking it after every pour.
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Re: nice find yesterday
« Reply #5 on: 01/22/13 21:17 UTC »
Awesome post!  I use a deep griddle to keep my plastic cups warm during de-molding, and I keep the lid on to help to negate the air movement (cooling).  Of course I had to trial and error to find the hot spots, dial in the temp to actual temp vs. what the label says, etc.  I am definitely going to give some thought to the sand as well now after reading your post, ctom.  The heat regulation alone would be worth it's weight in gold.  My griddle is just deep enough to hold a standard 2 cup Pyrex, 3 wide by 2 deep.  Adding sand would not be a hassle due to all the space, and I like your logic here.  Thank you!

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Re: nice find yesterday
« Reply #6 on: 01/23/13 18:18 UTC »
Wow that's awesome! For crappie baits this system will rock! Thanks for sharing , this is the best post I've seen in a long time