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Offline andrewlamberson

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Re: need help!!
« Reply #15 on: 06/25/17 12:10 UTC »
The guys at Do-it can correct me if I'm wrong...but the reason CNC molds are shiny is because that surface is cheaper to machine than a textured surface. Thus, baits were shiny. If you wanted a textured mold it is big $$ due to the machine time.

If you think about it, minnows and fry have scales (texture), leeches have small ridges (texture) etc. Etc.

Not to be a cynic (but it does come naturally for me!) the guys that first started questioning the Essential Series mold finish were competitors that had to be scared shitless that the Essential Series molds were significantly less expensive than CNC and they did not have the expertise to cast molds.

I have fished the Essential Series stick baits right along with the CNC version and had a tough time telling which was which under water. The bass sure didn't seem to care!

« Last Edit: 06/25/17 16:34 UTC by andrewlamberson »
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Offline Mike J

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Re: need help!!
« Reply #16 on: 06/25/17 12:29 UTC »
Yeah I tried to paint the molds with high heat spray paint and after a couple pours the paint started melting on my baits so I had to remove the paint

I'm gonna say you used the wrong paint.  You need high temp gloss engine paint for this.  If you get paint that withstands over 400 degrees you shouldn't have an issue with the paint coming off on your baits.

Offline Lamar

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Re: need help!!
« Reply #17 on: 06/25/17 12:49 UTC »
  I have four of the ES Beaver molds and I have one twin injector with four blending blocks. I do this so I can make four baits at a time. Two of my molds are painted, one is not and one is only one half side painted. If you think about it a craw is shiny on top and dull on the bottom so I thought I'd try it. The results are when I think one is working better then the others I end up digging through the bag of craws till they're all gone and then switch to a different one and find out that the bite has changed to it now. So either I've got the fish Gods on my side or the effort I put into making the bait have or not have a shine means nothing. Of course I always need to squeeze my lucky monkey before I go fishing.

« Last Edit: 06/25/17 12:50 UTC by Lamar »

Offline Michael1980

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Re: need help!!
« Reply #18 on: 06/29/17 10:53 UTC »
I purchased all of the essential molds and painted them with the high temp paint (500° F), following the instructions from That Guy Skimpy.  Although they do come out shiny, the paint does not hold up forever.  You may get 100 or so shots before the paint starts releasing from the mold.  It will begin at the injection point where there's friction from pushing in the tip of your injector.  It will then start at the edges of the creature where the two molds meet.  Eventually it begins coming off in very fine particles, resulting in a bait more textured then the original cast surface.  Read into the comments on Skimpy's video and you will see the same thing happened to him over time.  How long the paint last may depend on how often and how consecutively they are injected.

It took a lot of time to mask off the molds, cut out the spray area, and apply two coats of the paint (allowing them to dry 24 hours between coats) for 13 molds.  At the end of the day you have to decide what your time is worth.  If I want a shiny surface moving forward I'll buy CNC molds.  If you're making bait for yourself then everyone is correct, the matte finish doesn't matter.  The fish don't care.  If you're trying to sell them then a shiny surface will catch more sales.  Just my thoughts.

Offline Mike J

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« Reply #19 on: 06/29/17 11:31 UTC »
Not that I care either way if they are painted or not, but I'm pretty sure I remember Lamar saying he dididn't mask his at all just painted the whole mold and scratched out the vents afterwards and they worked just fine.  Beets spending all that time masking.

Offline Muskygary

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« Reply #20 on: 06/29/17 12:14 UTC »
I like Lamar's idea of painting half the mold. That's why we do-it! To have something no one else has.

Offline Lamar

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« Reply #21 on: 06/29/17 15:26 UTC »
Not that I care either way if they are painted or not, but I'm pretty sure I remember Lamar saying he dididn't mask his at all just painted the whole mold and scratched out the vents afterwards and they worked just fine.  Beets spending all that time masking.

  Yes that's how I did it and it works fine with no flashing.

Offline Lines

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« Reply #22 on: 06/29/17 20:17 UTC »
Sure can't fault a guy for squeezing a monkey.