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Softener
« on: 02/17/12 20:29 UTC »
There are many variables in Soft Plastics...Colorant and Scent both soften plastic, and the more the softer.

But, is there a general "standard"?  Using 8 oz. Regular/Medium plastic with nothing in it, how much CCM softener would be used to achieve CCM's Soft Formula?  10 drops?  25 drops?  50 drops?  1 TSP?  1 TBSP?  6 TSP = 1 oz.

Or a ratio?  1:4?  1:5?  1:8?  1:10?
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Re: Softener
« Reply #1 on: 02/17/12 20:34 UTC »
And the same thing for using 8 oz. CCM Hard and achieving CCM Regular.

Also, is the requirement/result linear?  Would You use this amount to go from Hard to Regular, then that same amount to get from Regular to Soft?
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Re: Softener
« Reply #2 on: 02/17/12 21:10 UTC »
Well even though you said nothing included, just plastic, here's my goto formula. Even though I'm using a stick bait as an example, I'm using salt:

New Mixture                   
4oz Plastic
1 Tbs Softener
1/2 Tbs Salt

Old Mixture
4oz Plastic
2 Tbs Softener
1 1/2 Tbs Salt

Baits are durable enough for me. I don't mind a bait tearing up after two/three fish, as long as he holds it longer and doesn't spit it out as soon as he takes it in.

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Re: Softener
« Reply #3 on: 02/18/12 11:38 UTC »
First and foremost remember each of these is a formula with multiple components to achieve not just softness or hardness, but also heat stability, micro bubble resistance, plastic texture, hard pack / suspension, etc, etc.  Each formula is different and if you are making drastic changes you may get some surprises along the way (not bad, just maybe something you didn't anticipate).

With that said, please experiment.  Not being a chemist I have had to learn a lot by trial and error.  There's nothing wrong with this, and I think it will make you better off in the long run.

As a general rule I have gotten better results blending formulas if I'm really want to make a change.  Why?  Because the ratios of resign, stabilizer, plasticizers, etc. are already tested and established. 

If you are making modest changes (<10%) you should rarely see anything strange going harder or softer.  If you are softening by more than 10% you may see some micro bubbles (it really depends on what you are softening with and how you are heating - lots of options and variables).

We don't sell the hardener, but that's just a matter of me getting it on the site.  With it, I have added as much as 20% without any surprises.  The key thing here is to recognize you are adding additional resign (as a percentage), which may require additional stabilizer - again, depends on the heat being applied.

As far as mixing CCC with other products.  Some work really well, others just okay.  It is just a trial and error learning experience.  I wouldn't discourage it, I would just work in small batches.  This is really true across the board with any experimenting.

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Re: Softener
« Reply #4 on: 02/18/12 17:30 UTC »
I have the pthalate free plastic in the soft formula and still add softener to get it to where I like it. I do have to lard up on stablizer though or the clear colors like to yellow out after a half dozen re-heats. I've gotten things nailed down pretty well now when it comes to what and how much to add. Most all of my batching is done at 6 ounces or 4 ounces since all I am squirting is smaller baits in compact molds.
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Re: Softener
« Reply #5 on: 02/18/12 19:50 UTC »
Thank Yawl, Fella's.  Experimentation resumes soon!  :D  I'd like to get a few "formulas" that will let me adjust...

Make sure Your line is good, Fella's...go through everything if You haven't already.  Clean and lube Your reels...clean Your guides.  The weather is gettin' warmer (in the South, for sure)...
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Re: Re: Softener
« Reply #6 on: 02/18/12 23:01 UTC »
Thank Yawl, Fella's.  Experimentation resumes soon!  :D  I'd like to get a few "formulas" that will let me adjust...

Make sure Your line is good, Fella's...go through everything if You haven't already.  Clean and lube Your reels...clean Your guides.  The weather is gettin' warmer (in the South, for sure)...

X2 it is getting close!