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Offline floridagrimp

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shooting carrots...
« on: 11/26/12 16:07 UTC »
best temp??   I know people shoot them at various temps. I tend to shoot them at 370 or so; is there an optimum temp??  Is there a disadvantage of shooting them at high temps??  stuff is easier to stir when it's that hot.
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Re: shooting carrots...
« Reply #1 on: 11/26/12 16:11 UTC »
The lighter colors will yellow on you pretty quick at 370 from my experience anyway

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Re: shooting carrots...
« Reply #2 on: 11/26/12 16:17 UTC »
I shoot them at 330 (cooled down from 350) to avoid flash (yeah...I know...inject slower....slower....)
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Re: shooting carrots...
« Reply #3 on: 11/26/12 16:24 UTC »
I don't have a problem with yellowing...I do have a problem with consistency of baits; probably shooting them too fast.

I shoot pretty big batches..so shooting them at 330 isn't really a good option. At least not on an 8 cup pour!!!

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Re: shooting carrots...
« Reply #4 on: 11/26/12 16:38 UTC »
I don't have a problem with yellowing...I do have a problem with consistency of baits; probably shooting them too fast.

I shoot pretty big batches..so shooting them at 330 isn't really a good option. At least not on an 8 cup pour!!!

thanks

What kind of consistency issue are you having?  Normally the only issue I've heard of with a Carrot is flashing, and that is either from not clamping well, or pushing to hard when injecting (it's a straight smooth bait - no pressure required).

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Re: shooting carrots...
« Reply #5 on: 11/26/12 16:43 UTC »
Lot of zombie bait lately, head of bait not filled in (not holding injector on long enough?, shooting too fast?) and some integrity issues in some of the bodies, maybe not mixing it well enough. Use ample amount of stabilizer in remelts, not much in virgin plastic. I do get it hot, esp in 4 cup shoots.
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Re: shooting carrots...
« Reply #6 on: 11/26/12 16:53 UTC »
 I've shot them as low as 310. Normally 320-330. Never had an issue. I didn't know I should hit 350 till I read Jasons Plastic 101 thread today.
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Re: shooting carrots...
« Reply #7 on: 11/26/12 19:11 UTC »
If You're getting "hollow heads", that's because the cooling plastic is drawing up, needing to be "fed" more liquid plastic as it cools and shrinks.  I always...always...hold injector pressure for 8-10+ seconds after the cavities are full...then twist the injector about 1/4-1/2-turn to break the cooled plastic between the tip of the injector and the mold sprue, then fill up the sprue with more plastic as soon as possible as You draw the injector from the sprue.

I always filled my sprue after the cavities were full, but still sometimes got "dents" along the sides, and sometimes hollow heads/bodies.  All of this is from not feeding enough plastic to the mold, to supply the needed plastic to the cavities as the plastic cools and shrinks.  Once I started holding injector pressure, almost 100% of these issues went away.  Sometimes I'll try to get fast (as if I don't have enough time to do it right), and I'll start to see the "dents" on some baits again.  Hold injector pressure (light pressure...hand-weight) for about 10 seconds after it's full...then top-off the sprue.  Your consistency should greatly increase...meaning the quality/frequency of "perfect" baits.

If You've ever gotten the little dents in the Tails of the Gliders...holding injector pressure seriously reduces those dents, as well...at any shootable temp.

Edit: The 4" Skinnies that are curing as we speak, were all made holding Injector Pressure...they are as perfect as the mold cavities...every one I shot is like that.  They're actually a pleasure to look at...truly a Premium Custom Bait.
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Re: shooting carrots...
« Reply #8 on: 11/27/12 00:54 UTC »
I am an expert on how to mess up carrots.  If there is a way; I have found it.  At 370 degrees there is a high possibility of either hollow heads or dents.  The plastic will pull down and suck air or collapse the side ( dent ).  As bareknuckle said; hugging for a while will solve the problem.  The cooler you shoot; the less length of time hugging is needed.  You can come back and re-top off the mold if it hasn't pulled down too far.  The 3.5 inch carrot mold requires a good bit of plastic and with 10 cavities requires the most attention post primary injection.  I am always wanting to inject and move on to as many molds as I can get to with an injector;  but have found that a 340 degree or so temp and a slower injection with hugging generates more good baits in the long run.  I use two injectors.  Put the pyrex back in the micro and touch heat it as I inject the first molds.  Then gentle short stir, draw and inject the second set.  Two 4 oz injections produces more perfect baits for me. 

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Re: shooting carrots...
« Reply #9 on: 11/27/12 02:09 UTC »
370* is crazy hot. Try 320 for a straight bait like that.

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« Reply #10 on: 11/27/12 09:49 UTC »
Poured some last nite and got much better results at *340+.  I like to make bigger pours and have equated high heat with longer pours.   May have to pour 4 cup vs. 8 in future.  which reminds me...

*there was guy who sold watermelons here in Florida. He bought them for $2 and sold them 2/$3...friend asked him how he made money, he replied 'volume'!!!
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Re: shooting carrots...
« Reply #11 on: 11/27/12 10:24 UTC »
Sounds like the Watermelon Guy needs to learn some Math...!!!  :D  I do agree on high volume, though.

As Mr. Paul said, I too use 2 Injectors...waaay better than 1.  I can shoot 1 then purge, grab the other Injector and repeat.  Demold and unplug...round 2.

I thought about it last night, but forgot to add what was mentioned in the last few posts...the hotter Your plastic is, the more it's expanded, so it'll draw more when it cools/shrinks.  I like about 340, myself.  It's at a good viscosity at 350-355-360, but I find the baits come out nice, full, solid, when shot at about 340...there's also a little less smoke at 340.

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