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Offline chase102798

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How and why I modify my molds (PICS)
« on: 06/25/13 18:48 UTC »
A couple guys PM’ed me cause I mentioned that I modify my Do-it molds. I’m sure there are other guys who do this and maybe better than me, but this is how I do it so hopefully it will give someone some ideas.

I’m always trying to streamline and simplify my gear. Most guys are trying to add rods, techniques, and baits but I’m always trying to eliminate or consolidate stuff. I went through a lot of commercial jigs trying to find one that would be my Jack-of-all-trades jig and there was always something I didn’t like about each one. I wanted one jig to do everything pretty well. Maybe it was the wrong hook for me, or the trailer keeper sucked, or the head wasn’t working for what I intended. The TABU tackle Open Water jig was the closed I came. It was a modified arky with the medium wire Diiachi hook, compact size for northern fishing on smaller waters, hand tied skirt, and an awesome wire trailer keeper. But at close to $5.00 a jig, the Northern Pike were costing me a small fortune.
When Trokar came out with their Jig hooks, I knew I needed my own molds. So I bought some Do-it molds (6 to be precise) and found that the Standard Bass jig mold was closest to the head shape of the TABU. So, with a dremel and some JB Weld compound I modified the mold to resemble the TABU and accept my TROKAR hooks. Since Do-it came out with the arky model with trokar hooks, I have switched to that but still modified the trailer keeper. The wire trailer keeper is awesome. It holds baits so much better than the little lead spikes. Also, when the one side of a bait starts to tear, you can unthread the trailer, reverse the bait, and hook it through the other side and keep going.
Here is the first step of filling in the existing trailer keeper with JB Weld.

Here is after compound dried overnight and sanded down with fine sandpaper and block. (also shows the hook stud I add which is explained later)

Here are my dremel cutters.

This is the wire keeper I bend out of spinnerbait wire. Similar to the one offered by DO-it now.

This shows the small relief for the wire keeper. You have to open the hook channel back up and then enlarge it slightly to accept the keeper. It’s trial and hopefully not error. I will place a hook and keeper in there and close the mold and see if it closes enough to pour. If not, I tap it on the outside gently with a hammer and that will leave marks and show you where it is hitting and where to remove metal. I use the large cutter to cut a new skirt shoulder which is seen as the ball shape on the mold. I make it that size to add lead back to the jig since filling in the trailer keeper lightens the jig. After weighing the final product, they are the same finished weight.

This shows a spot where the keeper needs more relief.

Next thing I do sometimes is modify from flat eye hook to in line or the other way around. To get an inline eye, I relieve the metal around the hook eye in the mold and then drill a 1/16” hole where I want the hook stud. Then a jewelers screwdriver and a stainless screw will tap itself in that hole. Carefully grind off the head so the mold closes and it’s now ready.

Same concept but with a hook and the keeper laid in there ready to pour

From bottom: the TABU jig, 3/8 oz standard bass mold with modifications (wire keeper and hook stud to bring the eye down in the jig head farther. I didn’t like how the hook eye on this model stuck out so far), ¼ oz same mold

From bottom: New trokar swim jig model as it comes, 1/2 OZ modified with in line eye, same but 3/8 and finished and with wire keeper

From bottom right: Trokar arky modified with wire keeper, next two are 3/8 and ½ oz with green pumpkin paint and weed guards

Green pumpkin and black/blue jigs done with hand tied skirts in arky model

You can see the wire keeper sticking through this grub trailer

Two of my go-to setups

It goes without saying that all my fishing and jigs are done with trokar hooks. I read guys say that other hooks are just as good  or that they are too expensive. All of that is ridiculous. All that tells me is that person hasn’t spent much time fishing these hooks. Especially with fluoro line, the effort needed to bury that hook is considerably less. I have experienced near perfect landing percentages even with lighter fluoro lines and casts of greater distances where the stretch would give me less than stellar results with other hooks. Also, they resist rusting better than other hooks. Just my thoughts though, I have no stake with Trokar.

Hope this helps someone.

« Last Edit: 06/25/13 22:47 UTC by chase102798 »

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Re: How and why I modify my molds (PICS)
« Reply #1 on: 06/25/13 19:02 UTC »
I always love seeing what fellow modifiers are doing and why. Absolute genius transitions here.

Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #2 on: 06/25/13 19:07 UTC »
Nice looking jigs and good ideas. But I am one that thinks Trokar is way over priced. A good hard hook set ones as good as another. As far as rusting when it comes to fishing jigs I lose them long before I worry about it rusting. Just part of jig fishing.

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Re: How and why I modify my molds (PICS)
« Reply #3 on: 06/25/13 19:07 UTC »
Perhaps the best post I've ever seen on this forum, Chase.  I tie a lot of jigs, but this brought jig "making" to a new level.  Thanks for sharing it.  I'm sure I'll study your pics many times and might even pull the Dremel out in an attempt to go the extra mile.  Thanks again.
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Re: How and why I modify my molds (PICS)
« Reply #4 on: 06/25/13 19:50 UTC »
Very Good post; with a lot of helpful information.  Thanks for posting.

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Re: How and why I modify my molds (PICS)
« Reply #5 on: 06/25/13 20:05 UTC »
Nice looking jigs and good ideas. But I am one that thinks Trokar is way over priced. A good hard hook set ones as good as another. As far as rusting when it comes to fishing jigs I lose them long before I worry about it rusting. Just part of jig fishing.

I appreciate the response and I respect your opinion, but under a 20x jewelers loop, you would be surprised how unimpressive some of the less expensive models are. Again, it comes down to application.

I have long believed that the holy grail jig hook would be the strength of a heavy wire hook with the penetration ability of a light wire hook. The trokar hook is absolutely that hook. I have done a lot of testing off the water with these hooks. My biggest success was the increased landing percentage my wife experienced when using these jigs compared to others.

When fishing braid, I have used the same jig for quite some time. But also rain in the boat with open tackle has been a bugger at times. Also, the price has decreased on these 30% across the board recently. Enough about that. :)

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Re: How and why I modify my molds (PICS)
« Reply #6 on: 06/25/13 20:15 UTC »
Also, for anyone concerned, I have poured just hundreds of jigs out of one of my molds with the JB compound in. I know that cause I have ALOT of empty 100 pack hook bags. ;) Periodic inspections with magnification have shown no wear or cracks in the modified compound. It may eventually, but I haven't hit that point yet.
« Last Edit: 06/25/13 20:37 UTC by chase102798 »

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Re: How and why I modify my molds (PICS)
« Reply #7 on: 06/25/13 21:26 UTC »
Absolutely fabulous post.  I have to agree, one of the most informative posts I have read anywhere. Thanks for taking the time to share.

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« Reply #8 on: 06/26/13 06:26 UTC »
I appreciate the response and I respect your opinion, but under a 20x jewelers loop, you would be surprised how unimpressive some of the less expensive models are. Again, it comes down to application.

I have long believed that the holy grail jig hook would be the strength of a heavy wire hook with the penetration ability of a light wire hook. The trokar hook is absolutely that hook. I have done a lot of testing off the water with these hooks. My biggest success was the increased landing percentage my wife experienced when using these jigs compared to others.

When fishing braid, I have used the same jig for quite some time. But also rain in the boat with open tackle has been a bugger at times. Also, the price has decreased on these 30% across the board recently. Enough about that. :)

  No I agree with Trokar being the best hook. Just way over priced and not worth the extra money in my opinion. I use Gamakatsu. Very sharp and a small barb that helps with penetration. I have used Eagle Claw and Hookerz and to be honest both do as well. Hookerz has a small barb also and if they had a bigger selection I would switch over to them totally. For the money it's a really good hook and the guy that owns it lives five minutes down the road from me. So also easy for me to get.
  Very good post though. I like the wire bait holder. Do you make that wire or do you buy it somewhere ? I did something close to that on my walleye jigs but I have to make the wires. Sore of a pain because they're either to short or to long it seems like.

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Re: How and why I modify my molds (PICS)
« Reply #9 on: 06/26/13 08:05 UTC »
I took a small old vise and ground one side off to a 45 degree point. I stick spinnerbait wire in there and tap it over with a brass gunsmith hammer. Then reverse it and bend the 90 degree end. I have witness marks on the vise setup so that I get a consistent length. So, I do make each one. I can bend about 100 of them in less than an hour when I'm rolling. I have a picture of that too. I will post that later. Do-it now has a wire keeper for a different mold. Haven't tried it though. It may be too short for me. I considered contacting a wire fabricating company and having a couple thousand made. I found a place on the internet that will make weird little pieces of stuff like that for you.

I agree with you Lamar, they are expensive. My last straw was when I lost a monster close to the boat on vacation a couple years ago due to a shallow hook penetration. My biggest problem is with fluoro line on long casts which is what this was. I was swimming a jig up north and he hit way out on the boat. I tried setting the hook twice, but he still got off. That used to happen a lot. Now, the trokars penetrate so well, sometimes I have trouble getting them out. ;)

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Re: How and why I modify my molds (PICS)
« Reply #10 on: 06/26/13 14:56 UTC »
I was considering buying another jig mold. It maybe the new one just released for trokar hooks after reading your post. I priced the hooks they run about .35-.40 cents each. Not much when you look at out that way.

You get my vote for forum member of the month!

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Re: How and why I modify my molds (PICS)
« Reply #11 on: 06/26/13 17:49 UTC »
Thanks man.

Not sure where you are pricing them, but I get them from Barlows. They are priced per 50 though. I usually order in 100 counts, but at $35.00 per 50 they are closer to $0.70 per hook. When you consider that a premium factory jig could cost anywhere from $3.50-$5.00, then making a complete custom jig for around $1.00 with a Trokar hook (which very few factory jigs use) is kind of an easy sell.

All the new trokar molds from Do-It are very good. I have the Arky, Swim, and shakey molds. I don't have a use for Football jigs with the muck bottom lakes I fish. If they came ready to accept a wire keeper, they would be amazing.