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Minnesota nice....
« on: 04/15/15 20:32 UTC »
....is a cute little saying that people here in the state adopted a couple of years ago however it hasn't found its way to everyone in the state yet.

http://bringmethenews.com/2015/04/15/angler-fatally-stabbed-after-altercation-with-other-fisherman-along-st-croix-river/
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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #1 on: 04/16/15 17:37 UTC »
(Minnesota plates) obviously didn't get the memo... what a shame.


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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #2 on: 04/17/15 23:46 UTC »
It's to bad that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Had a guy get in my face  and try to tell me were I was going to fish after I had been fishing all night.  I made a half dozen cast's and then I went to my truck.
May your days be filled with sun shine and you always have a tight line. AMEN

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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #3 on: 04/18/15 05:54 UTC »
  This is a perfect example of why you should mind your own business. Not saying it's ok that someone got stabbed here or the three guys in the boat weren't doing wrong but who was the aggressive one ? Who went from their side of the lake over to push the issue ? Who met who at the boat ramp and for why ? I've been following this story on Wired to fish. This guy was pretty aggressive toward those three guys and I bet they claim selfdefense. If you don't like what you see on the water then report it to the DNR. You don't know what those guys are like. This guy had a wife and kids. I bet they wish he would have just reported it and walked away.

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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #4 on: 04/18/15 20:59 UTC »
From what I get out of it, I'm betting he was a youth mentor besides a coach.  And he likely dealt with teens on a regular basis... maybe he even knew these guys?  Yes he crossed over to the teens, but it was by car, not boat, and this was because of three hours of profanities and smoking marijuana in a public (family) environment.  As a youth mentor, I don't think his confronting the unruly boys would be out of line, but what reason did the boys have for deadly force... maybe some other drugs that would have gotten them in trouble with the law?  There is still a fair amount of speculation at this point, and it will never be anybody's fault.  :(

There is that old saying that evil prevails because good men do nothing... to me this just seemed like a good man trying to do something.



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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #5 on: 04/19/15 14:21 UTC »
 Here is some more of the story http://wired2fish.scout.com/story/1538248-arrest-made-in-stabbing-death-of-angler?s=537
 It is very sad what happened here. Some times the right thing to do isn't the best thing to do. Call the law enforcement and go home to your wife and children.
  After I got my CCW I took another all day class on what to do in a bad situation. It was a lot of what if this or that happens what to do and not to do. One situation that really stuck in my head was let's suppose your eating with your family in a restaurant towards the back near a door. A masked man walks in and pulls a gun on the lady at the front desks and demands money. Now your carrying a loaded weapon. What do you do ? The correct answer is you rush your family out the back door to safety. Then call law enforcement. It is not your job or place to enforce the law.

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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #6 on: 04/19/15 16:04 UTC »
Who wants to bet the were NOT model teens. Most problem people are like that form a liberal judges and government who enable this people from a young age and not holding their feet to the fire and making the responsible for their actions. The piss pour court systems have also kept the the fathers away from their kids in single house hold situations because kids need nurture over discipline according to the experts. No kids in encouragement and a boot in the ass. Okay soap box over. Very sad he lost is life over something that stupid 

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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #7 on: 04/19/15 17:06 UTC »
Who wants to bet the were NOT model teens. Most problem people are like that form a liberal judges and government who enable this people from a young age and not holding their feet to the fire and making the responsible for their actions. The piss pour court systems have also kept the the fathers away from their kids in single house hold situations because kids need nurture over discipline according to the experts. No kids in encouragement and a boot in the ass. Okay soap box over. Very sad he lost is life over something that stupid

  I agree except for blaming the courts on raising the kids part. I went through a divorce with two kids. 12 and 14. Both kids for the most part ended up living with me. My ex and I both agreed the marriage was over and we both needed to raise our children. Being an adult is part of raising children. Today we have five grandchildren and we all get together for birthday parties and even a few holidays. The courts told us we had to share weekends and bla bla bla. If my ex wanted to take her kids shopping or what ever by all means come get them. The problem is not the court systems. The problem is and always will be the parents. Both parents need to grow up and do what's right for the kids. Period.

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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #8 on: 04/19/15 18:52 UTC »
  I agree except for blaming the courts on raising the kids part. I went through a divorce with two kids. 12 and 14. Both kids for the most part ended up living with me. My ex and I both agreed the marriage was over and we both needed to raise our children. Being an adult is part of raising children. Today we have five grandchildren and we all get together for birthday parties and even a few holidays. The courts told us we had to share weekends and bla bla bla. If my ex wanted to take her kids shopping or what ever by all means come get them. The problem is not the court systems. The problem is and always will be the parents. Both parents need to grow up and do what's right for the kids. Period.

You proved my point on the incompetent court system off subject but if the court system only gave you every other weekend guess what bud you are F'ed!!! you get to be in you kids life every other weekend only if your ex didn't allow any more time. No matter how "grown up" you maybe! It's a fact that the court sides with the female in majority of the cases. So dad can only figure out what the kid are doing 4 days out the month. Just because it works great for you doesn't mean the judicial system hasn't failed America at an alarming pace. Kids need positive role models and they need to know right from wrong and if the parents don't teach it and the court doesn't enforce it who the hell does. If the father is the discipline aspect and the court takes him away and then they don't do their job who the hell is going to? 
  I will bet that the kid how stabbed  him is gets 15 years and the other with him get a slap on the wrist guaranteed   

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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #9 on: 04/19/15 18:56 UTC »
This little episode as it unfolds is really sickening. Completely avoidable....100%.
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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #10 on: 04/19/15 19:03 UTC »
This little episode as it unfolds is really sickening. Completely avoidable....100%.

  That I agree with.

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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #11 on: 04/19/15 19:24 UTC »
You proved my point on the incompetent court system off subject but if the court system only gave you every other weekend guess what bud you are F'ed!!! you get to be in you kids life every other weekend only if your ex didn't allow any more time. No matter how "grown up" you maybe! It's a fact that the court sides with the female in majority of the cases. So dad can only figure out what the kid are doing 4 days out the month. Just because it works great for you doesn't mean the judicial system hasn't failed America at an alarming pace. Kids need positive role models and they need to know right from wrong and if the parents don't teach it and the court doesn't enforce it who the hell does. If the father is the discipline aspect and the court takes him away and then they don't do their job who the hell is going to? 
  I will bet that the kid how stabbed  him is gets 15 years and the other with him get a slap on the wrist guaranteed

 My point exactly. Both parents need to be an adult. Both parents need to understand that it is in best interest of the child to keep both involved. You can't blame the court for that. They have to make a choice on how to fix what the parents can't do. Why ? Because they can't stop fighting. If you have an ex that doesn't want you to see your child that's not the courts fault, that's her fault or maybe yours who knows ? But don't blame the court. Someone has to step in and say this is what the child does because you two can't stop fighting. There are other choices you two could make and the court would step aside and let you raise your children. And yes it's that simple.

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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #12 on: 04/20/15 00:47 UTC »
I'm with both of you (Lamar & Mo)... our courts are a joke because it is not about finding out the truth as it is/was; it is about winning.  And the winning can be accomplished by whatever means necessary; just stick to your rehearsed story and smear the other's character. 

There is no absolute truth because we're not allowed to have a universal moral standard anymore, which has been fueled by our society's desire for eliminating personal accountability.  YOU don't tell ME what is right or wrong; that is for each of us to make that decision for ourselves.  (The only time we want accountability is when it is administered against our adversary, not against us.)  Yes, it's our courts, appointed by our government, appointed by the voting majority (who seem to only want privileges and no responsibilities) made up of poor parents and products of poor parenting. 

The boy's mother (in another article) was saying what a good boy she has (other than the obvious belligerence, marijuana use, stabbing, fleeing the scene, etc., he's no doubt an angel in her eyes).  It was the flag football, little league and wrestling coach of the year that caused her boy to do what he did; it had nothing to do with her son's impaired judgment... he was the real victim here.    :'(

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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #13 on: 04/20/15 09:40 UTC »
There is a whole lot coming to light right now regarding the incident. Apparently the coach tried to either keep the kid from getting back in his car before he was stabbed or tried to forcefully remove the kid from his car before the stabbing took place. Either way, the law says you cannot physically attack or restrain someone, even during a citizen's arrest. If the kid has so much as a foot in his car or had hold of any portion of the car when being handled by the coach, he had/has every right to protect himself. Wisconsin has the self-protection law that gives anyone fearing personal harm while in or at their property the right to defend themselves. The car in this case is the domicile. The person with the coach has already stated that the altercation occurred AFTER the coach crossed the river and went to confront the kids. Had he just gone on home he'd still be with his family and going to work today.

I don't like the direction that things are going today with all the knives and guns and chicken-schnits that can't stand alone on their own two feet. If they're not armed, they come as an army. and have the attack mentality of ants. I loath the idea that any sort of weapon was involved here, but I also loath the idea that two adult men don't have enough brains to just leave the situation and go home. Now with new information coming to light that the coach was the one who was doing the threatening thru grabbing or hitting while the kid was attempting to get away, I'm not so sure that the kid was in the right, even as ugly as the end result is. People today cannot know what lies inside an argument. By actually amping up the heat by going to the camp of the other party a person might be putting himself in dire straights.

I'm hearing that the kids were doing some doobie. I wonder if maybe some alcohol wasn't in the mix of the two adults....they were fishing, both parties.  The dead dude's own brother is making noise that he brother was not one to back away from anything he thought he was right about. Its starting to appear as though this knot-headed approach to life cost him his. I'll wait for the end of the trial before I say much more about this. I don't like people creating a scene while I am fishing and certainly not in a park where kids and families are commonly seen. I know how absolutely irritating it is to have to deal with somebody being a true dick and as many times as I have been tempted to go flatten some jerk who probably needed it, common sense steps in and the first thing it asks is whether I am ready to die or take a serious beating. I feel pretty good about tossing them the bird and going elsewhere or home. This is how this situation should have been handled.
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Re: Minnesota nice....
« Reply #14 on: 04/20/15 11:05 UTC »
Yeah, he could have walked away, but from all the articles, I don't believe the kids story any more than I think O.J. Simpson's wife was murdered by a prejudice cop trying to frame him.  One of Kelly's own coaches and lifelong friend says there's no way he caused this.  http://www.startribune.com/local/east/299874271.html

There's a lot we will never know for sure here, but to me this is a case where the more people have to lose, the more they'll lie/fabricate to cover their behinds.  Heck, look how much we have seen it from our highest officials, yet we try to keep those with a moral standard out of public office (only perpetuating the problem).

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